Need Help Identifying a Clock Movement

[BobbyPafralides]

I have a wall clock with no markings besides a 5 digit serial number on the movement, any help identifying it would be appreciated.

 

[Andy Dervan]

It is a German Vienna regulator clock and movement probably around 1880.

Unfortunately the movement photograph is extremely dark. It would be helpful having better photographs of both front and back. Current photograph is the back.

Some German movements makers supplied unsigned movements to other companies so it maybe difficult to identify them. Disassembling the movement might yield information.

Andy Dervan

 

[BobbyPafralides]

It is a German Vienna regulator clock and movement probably around 1880.

Unfortunately the movement photograph is extremely dark. It would be helpful having better photographs of both front and back. Current photograph is the back.

Some German movements makers supplied unsigned movements to other companies so it maybe difficult to identify them. Disassembling the movement might yield information.

Andy Dervan

 

[BobbyPafralides]

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Hopefully these are better, the lighting in here is awful. Thank you for the information!

 

[Andy Dervan]

Much better photographs. It appears to be a well made movement.

Hopefully someone who is more familiar with German Vienna movements.

Andy Dervan

 

[leeinv66]

This looks like an unsigned Germania clock to me. Check out THIS THREAD

 

[Tatyana]

This is Concordia circa 1888.
For comparision:

 

[Jessk09]

Looks to me like a Becker or Jughans Vienna Regulator from Germany

 

[John Hubby]

I agree with Tatyana this is an unsigned Concordia, now the third one I have in my database. Key identifiers include the shape of the one-piece crutch extension, the back plate train layout, the one-piece formed upper pivot bridge, the shape and style of the hand-stamped serial numbers, and the design of the Vienna style hands. My data show it being made a bit later than Tatyana mentioned, in my case looks like early 1892.

For info, question to Tatyana: What is the highest serial number you have in your data for Concordia?

 

[Tatyana]

I agree with Tatyana this is an unsigned Concordia, now the third one I have in my database. Key identifiers include the shape of the one-piece crutch extension, the back plate train layout, the one-piece formed upper pivot bridge, the shape and style of the hand-stamped serial numbers, and the design of the Vienna style hands. My data show it being made a bit later than Tatyana mentioned, in my case looks like early 1892.

For info, question to Tatyana: What is the highest serial number you have in your data for Concordia?

Hello, John!

I have about 200 Concordia movements in my database.
The largest serial number is 167_588.



For some reason most of the 1890s movements are without a signature.
I have a movement with the number 147_837 which uses the DRGM 80851 patent dated August 18, 1897.

The average annual production for Concordia is about 9-10 thousand movements, so I announced the date 1888.

BR, Tatyana

 

[John Hubby]

Looks to me like a Becker or Jughans Vienna Regulator from Germany

Jess and all, for information there is no known Becker movement in this period that does not have a Becker logo stamp on the back plate or a serial number with less than six or seven digits. Becker had made 1,000,000 serial numbered movements by first half 1892.

I don't have info for Junghans but their movement designs for this period had a number of differences from the Concordia.

 

[John Hubby]

Tatiana, thanks very much for the photos and information. I will need to adjust my dating information, I would now agree that your projection of 1888 for the movement being discussed is quite likely the correct year of manufacture. Also I have noted the lack of a logo stamp seems to be prevalent in the 1890s.

 

[Orlando]

Hello John,

I posted this one on another thread to which Tatyana confirmed for me is a likely Concordia unsigned movement with serial #42,887 from the late 1880s. Now that I have it cleaned and running I am looking to rebuild/restore the case. The bottom piece pictured is something I just procured, I think its a good start.

v/r
Orlando

 

[Jessk09]

Jess and all, for information there is no known Becker movement in this period that does not have a Becker logo stamp on the back plate or a serial number with less than six or seven digits. Becker had made 1,000,000 serial numbered movements by first half 1892.

I don't have info for Junghans but their movement designs for this period had a number of differences from the Concordia.

Apologies, i wasn’t judging very accurately. Specifically talking case construction and style.

 

[Yahagi]

I am adding the mechanism that my friend recently bought as a curiosity. It is the oldest Concordia in my collection. I pay attention to the tips.