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  1. musicguy

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    #1 musicguy, Mar 26, 2020
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    I propose that our American Pocket Watch Forum creates a National Railroad Pocket Watch
    Day that would be on April 18th every year. This could give the people who are
    interested in Collecting Railroad Standard Watches or already own them
    a little more exposure. We could all wear one that day every year(or not )
    and create a tradition that hopefully can extend out to the watch world. The more that people see
    the day as a positive and know about it the more exposure these watches will get.
    I know we don't need a reason to like these Railroad Watches watches but it seemed like an
    interesting idea. I did a search for it and they don't have their own day.




    Rob
     
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    What is the significance of April 19th?
     
  3. 4mula1fan

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    I'm in!!
     
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  4. musicguy

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    It should be April 18th sorry for the typo.


    Rob
     
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    Every third Saturday in April?
     
  6. musicguy

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    No, it would be every April 18th :).


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    I am clearly having a brain fart. What is the significance of the date?
     
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    Oooooooo. Now I get it.:emoji_bulb:
     
  10. Greg Frauenhoff

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    Not a bad idea.

    But just some info on the Kipton wreck. Ian Bartkey (sp?) convincingly demonstrated a number of years ago that it wasn't caused by a faulty timekeeper. Most of what is "known" about this wreck was related years and years after the fact by Webb C. Ball. And he was probably just telling a good "story" for his own purposes.
     
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  11. Robert Sweet

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    Rob,

    Sounds like a good date. According to many sources the Kipton wreck, right or wrong, put Watch Inspections in high gear (there were inspections in place prior to this wreck). Webb C. Ball became a General Watch Inspector over many miles of Railroads and selling Ball Standard Watches at the same time. Ball was listed as a watch manufacturer, but to my knowledge he never designed and manufactured a complete mechanical Railroad Approved Watch from scratch. Please don't let my preceding statement begin a never ending debate.

    Robert
     
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    I believe an alternate date to celebrate would be November 18. On this day in 1883, the railroads all stopped at noon and switched over to 'Standard Railway Time'. Perhaps a more positive event to celebrate. Of course, I'm open to wearing a railroad watch on both days...
     
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    Maybe we will celebrate both days. April 18th as stated above but
    on November 18th we should have a Standard watch contest and anyone
    can enter one or two watches for a 30 day challenge. Either ending
    on November 18th or starting on that day. This will give people the time to dial in a few watches
    before the end of the year for the November 18th 'Standard Railway Time' challenge


    Rob
     
  14. Robert Sweet

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    FYI

    Robert

    Standard Time - Nov. 18, 1883.jpg
     
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    Maybe by remembering a serious train wreck and honoring those Railway workers who
    died on that day(who actually carried these watches as they were intended to be used for)
    we also realize how important a tool the Railroad watch was to the Railway men
    before and after this accident.


    Rob
     
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  16. Robert Sweet

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    FYI

    I've cut/paste this article to show clarity.

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    Engineer Bacon's Watch - 1891.jpg
     
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    Robert,

    Very interesting article. I wonder if Ian Bartky had seen this (in the pre-internet days). Did you find his old Bulletin article on Ball and the crash?

    Greg
     
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    Maybe we could get people outside of our circle(outside this forum) and make an open
    statement, "Post your Railroad watch in this XYZ thread for the world
    to see". We could send emails to every train related website and each do some promotion.
    Since so many people are home maybe they would want to pull
    out and photograph their RR watches.
    Also if everyone here posts one RR watch in that thread maybe we can get new visitors(take some new clear photos).
    The RR pocket watch is still the most Iconic of the American made pocket watches.
    If someone can make a nice looking banner we could put it at the top of
    the new thread. It needs to have the Date and this year 2020..... and look nice;)
    Also it could be something we could send by email as a promotion.


    Rob
     
  20. Robert Sweet

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    Greg,

    I'm not familiar with this Bulletin Article, but will see if I have this bulletin or can locate one.

    Thanks,
    Robert
     
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    Hello Rob,
    this is a good Idea. I love the Railraoad Pocketwatches from the States. In Germany it is not easy to get one but I have several ones. I know one Train Engenieer that caries an Elgin BW Raymond 571 at work . I carry mine on Sundays. I hope for all of us that we stay healthy.

    with best regards
    Christoph Wingendorf
     
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    At least three Bulletin articles:
    - August 1997 Bulletin page 490 "Railroad Timekeeping - 1996 NAWCC Seminar, Rockford Illinois". Dr. Bartky was a speaker at the seminar
    - June 1992 Bulletin page 259 "The Kipton Disaster and Webb C. Ball" by Robert Winslow
    - October 1989 Bulletin page 399 "Railroad Timekeepers" by Ian R. Bartky

    Railroad Day is a good idea, particularly to recognize the Nov 18, 1883 change to Railroad and Telegraph Time. Count me in.
     
  23. Greg Frauenhoff

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    Thank you for digging up the references.

    Anyone who has any interest at all in RR watches and RR watch standards should read Ian Bartkey's NAWCC Bulletin article in Whole #262 pg. 399. If you are an NAWCC member you can easily access it online.

    Greg
     
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    And if you want to read even more, you can usually find used copies of his books on standard time from online sellers. Very interesting reading.
     
  25. Greg Frauenhoff

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    Ian Bartky was a professionally trained researcher. He did his homework. That's not to say he might never have made a mistake, but he was very careful about what he committed to paper. I was glad to have met him, if only briefly, many years ago.
     
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    Reading this thread, I think Rob had a great idea. Going outside of our circle of friends is a great idea. I bet that railroad enthusiasts everywhere would be interested. Perhaps we should locate and post on forums for those groups? We could post a link to our website. But I think it would work better on the November date. It could be expanded and called "National Railroad Time Day". That includes the clocks and everything involved in maintaining the time accurately for the railroads. It’s also generic enough to include more people.
     
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