Named German Gongs

[JTD]

Doug Stevenson, in the 2009 Clock and Watch Bulletin -Gong Ho - confirms that Norddeutsche was the creator of this gong.

Mikrolisk indicates Norddeutsche was located in Berlin, which leads me to believe they were not clockmakers, but were makers / distributors of clock parts to the industry.

Perhaps Schmid's Lexikon can provide more information.

Regards.

Schmid's 'Lexikon' just says that this company 'manufactured and sold hall clocks'.

JTD

 

[new2clocks]

Schmid's 'Lexikon' just says that this company 'manufactured and sold hall clocks'.

JTD

Thanks, JTD.

Regards.

 

[Antalek]

This is the first time I've seen such a gong resonator.
To me, it looks closer to 1900.

Please show us the movement and the case.

Regards
Tatyana

Here they are…I’m getting the weights for repair tomorrow cause one of them is broken. Once All cleaned and reassembled I’m going to post higher quality pics…the clock is huge…225x60cm and 40cm depth.
Anyway do you please have any suggestions how to try to make the clock work? I was trying to use a substitute for the weights. But once started it doesn’t really start…there’s a piece of red thread connected to the mécanisme ( was told that it should be used to start the clock) but I have no idea how to use it…
Thank you all for very interesting informations
PS: I know that the design is rather for the house of Adam’s family but the furniture of my office is almost the same..all black and I really like it

 

[Tatyana]

Here they are…I’m getting the weights for repair tomorrow cause one of them is broken. Once All cleaned and reassembled I’m going to post higher quality pics…the clock is huge…225x60cm and 40cm depth.
Anyway do you please have any suggestions how to try to make the clock work? I was trying to use a substitute for the weights. But once started it doesn’t really start…there’s a piece of red thread connected to the mécanisme ( was told that it should be used to start the clock) but I have no idea how to use it…
Thank you all for very interesting informations
PS: I know that the design is rather for the house of Adam’s family but the furniture of my office is almost the same..all black and I really like it

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Thanks for the pics.
A very spectacular clock. I agree that these are the 1920s.
The original dial, funny writing of the serial number. 000303?
I checked the Polish and Russian clock forums. I have never met this signature Norddeutsche.

Regards
Tatyana

 

[J. A. Olson]

A great example of German clockmaking from the 1920's. Beyond what Mikrolisk and the Lexicon have stated, there is no further known reference to Norddeutsche clocks. There were dozens of German clockmakers and wholesalers which came and went without leaving a trace.

The red cord will start the strike train when pulled. It looks virtually identical to the time/strike movements made by other German companies. The weights on both sides should be between 7 to 10 pounds. Heavy enough to reliably operate both trains, light enough to avoid causing excess wear. Anything too light will not operate the movement.

German weights of the period usually looked like this:

 

[Antalek]

Here they are…I’m getting the weights for repair tomorrow cause one of them is broken. Once All cleaned and reassembled I’m going to post higher quality pics…the clock is huge…225x60cm and 40cm depth.
Anyway do you please have any suggestions how to try to make the clock work? I was trying to use a substitute for the weights. But once started it doesn’t really start…there’s a piece of red thread connected to the mécanisme ( was told that it should be used to start the clock) but I have no idea how to use it…
Thank you all for very interesting informations
PS: I know that the design is rather for the house of Adam’s family but the furniture of my office is almost the same..all black and I really like it

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Hello sorry to bother you with one more question but I have going this bras peace at the bottom of the clock…but I highly doubt that it’s a part of the clock…any ideas? Thank you in advance

 

[Antalek]

A great example of German clockmaking from the 1920's. Beyond what Mikrolisk and the Lexicon have stated, there is no further known reference to Norddeutsche clocks. There were dozens of German clockmakers and wholesalers which came and went without leaving a trace.

The red cord will start the strike train when pulled. It looks virtually identical to the time/strike movements made by other German companies. The weights on both sides should be between 7 to 10 pounds. Heavy enough to reliably operate both trains, light enough to avoid causing excess wear. Anything too light will not operate the movement.

German weights of the period usually looked like this:

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Thank you, I guess that the broken weight is the original one. Once repaired I’m going to let you know. Just to be sure, the clock should start once the weight are at place in the upper position and I start balancing the pendulum? Thank you. Stan

 

[J. A. Olson]

Just to be sure, the clock should start once the weight are at place in the upper position and I start balancing the pendulum? Thank you. Stan

Yes, that is correct. Good luck with the repairs.

 

[Tom McIntyre]

Anyway do you please have any suggestions how to try to make the clock work? I was trying to use a substitute for the weights. But once started it doesn't really start…there's a piece of red thread connected to the mécanisme ( was told that it should be used to start the clock) but I have no idea how to use it…
In case you have not figured it out already the red string is attached to the trip for the strike. It can be used to make the clock strike.

 

[Antalek]

Hello again please be assured I'm not trying to become a collector but somehow I came across this wall Clock today and I couldn't resist
It must be repaired by a clockmaker because the central spring is broken anyway I wanted to share another Westminster gong I'm not sure if the gong is directly from the German production because the "gong" is written in French but the trademark is Kienzle.
PS: just a short update for the hall clock from march..the weights are repaired but I'm still unable to make the clock work…so I have contacted several clockmakers to repair it but it's not an easy task because only few of them are willing to repair the hall clocks

 

[J. A. Olson]

Kienzle had a substantial presence in the French trade throughout the 1920s-1930s time frame. While the gong is explicitly marked 'Carillons Westminster', it was still a German made gong. Kienzle went through different gong suppliers in Germany who made everything to Kienzle's orders, ranging from customary rod layouts to ornate gong block patterns. It has been a real experience learning more about all this stuff, considering how secretive the German gongmaking trade was.

I have a later Kienzle wall clock with the same gong block casting. No date or serial number on this one, just the Kienzle stamp and pendulum length in centimeters.

 

[Antalek]

Thank you very much for your quick reply Honestly I prefer the style of your clock more! Btw what is this metallic part behind the gong - see the attached photo…?
Thnx
Stan

 

[J. A. Olson]

The metal frame was where a gong rod holder would go. It was a waffle-shaped metal piece that slipped upwards onto the rods, secured by a metal fastener inside the case. This holder secured the rods in transport so they didn't break off from excess vibration.

A photo of Kienzle's patented 'universal gong rod holder' can be seen here:

 

[JTD]

Btw what is this metallic part behind the gong - see the attached photo…?

Your picture is not very clear but it looks to me as if that is the bracket for immobilising the gong rods when the clock is in transit.

Others may know more/better.

JTD

PS I see J A Olson was writing at the same time.

 

[Tatyana]

Hello again please be assured I'm not trying to become a collector but somehow I came across this wall Clock today and I couldn't resist
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I'll assume that your clock was made in the late 1920s.
I have pictures of a clock 184_620 with an inscription from 1929



Regards
Tatyana