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Named German Gongs

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A brief study into the numerous coil gong and chime rod blocks (gong blocks) predominant on German clocks throughout the 1920's onward.

The gong sold the clock, as cited in a NAWCC bulletin article a few years ago. And indeed, many makers tried out different gong blocks throughout the years. Each maker was attempting to out-do one another in terms of how good their clocks sounded.
Typically, gong blocks in wall and floor bore names which varied from meaning what striking method the clock had or simply vague resemblance to other sources. Mantle clocks usually didn't bear names on the gong blocks as gong blocks in mantle clocks are typically hidden away - they cam be easily spotted when one opens the door to a wall or floor clock and in some instances can be easily seen from a typical view.
An example of an aptly named block would be Kienzle's "Glocken Gelaute", predominantly featured on wall clocks and obviously based on the sounds of German bell ringing. Less bearing on it's product would be Gustav Becker's "Eroica Gong", a 2 x 3 bim-bam strike gong for floor clocks.

Then come the somewhat obscure gongs like HAC's "Parzival Gong", a 1 x 3 bim-bam strike which has nothing in common with the chime tune named Parsifal nor the Wagner musical that begat this chime. Kienzle had a habit of naming some gongs after Wagner features including the "Walkure Gong", a 3/4 strike on chime rods, and the Wotan Gong which was a 2 x 2 rods bim-bam strike. In contrast, Mauthe named some gongs after opera features or instruments including Tosca-Elite (4 x 4 bim-bam) and Viola Gong (coiled gong with deep tone).

Some names are not to be found on the product itself, but in catalog literature. Such gongs include the Bach Gong by Junghans - another bim-bam strike, the Diaphragm Gong - which referred to a diaphragm that enhanced the chime tone, and Kienzle's Maestro Gong - a monumental 4 x 4 strike on massive flat lying chime rods.

Likewise, many chime blocks with the Westminster chime often bore the name "Westminster", sometimes with enhancements such as Kienzle's Westminster-Orgel Gong (struck hours on a chord, typical Westminster Gong struck on one low note) or Mauthe's Copenhagen Cityhall Bells block.

As most of the gongs mentioned above are simply primed up bim-bam strikes, not all named Gongs referred to such. Kienzle's Potsdamer and Deutscher Gongs played tune segments at the half hour and struck the hours on a chord. These are further covered in this topic.
https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?84748-Unusual-Kienzle-advert-(1933)
Likewise, Mauthe did the same thing with the Tessiner and Volks Gongs. Tessiner Gong played bell peals inspired from the city of Tessin, whilst the Volks Gong played the ending bars to the Third Reich favorite "Volk Ans Gewehr".
An interesting feature of the Volks Gong was the ability to convert to a simple bim-bam if preferred.

Gong blocks that bore names typically fell out of favor by the late 1920's but named terms were still in use until sometime after WW2.
Below is a brief gallery of some named gongs. The very last remnant of the named gongs would seem to be Kieninger's "Concerto Chimes", referring to a massive 16 hammer movement that plays Westminster, Birdhunter, and Ode to Joy.

Attached is a cornucopia of gongs, all of German origin.

For another article about German gongs, see Douglas Stevenson's "Gong Ho" article published in 2009 (NAWCC members only).

Other photos of different named gongs not shown are quite welcome.

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Wonderful, informative post! Thanks for sharing this. This gives perspective on some of our ornate Junghans Chime Blocks. Are the blocks also referred to as bosses?
 

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Wonderful, informative post! Thanks for sharing this. This gives perspective on some of our ornate Junghans Chime Blocks. Are the blocks also referred to as bosses?
Thanks! I've never seen them referred as bosses before.
 

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Well done, CCF.

Yes, Stevenson's Gong Ho article with the advertizing slogan "A good gong sells
the clock" goes deeper into the subject, than anything else yet published in
English.
None the less, it was merely an "appetizer" to the subject, one "sub-topic" of
German clocks.
In addition, there were some odd idioms used by the makers and terms of a
double meaning also, often only understood by the native German speakers.
None the less, only the tip of the iceberg has been revealed and gongs and
gong making could surely fill up a whole book, yet to be written...
In addition, a good piece of rather dark history goes along with the gong names
origins very often.
The Potsdam Garnisons Kirche that played the "Potsdamer Chimes" was blasted by
the communists after the war - no more Üb immer Treu und Redlichkeit (Be always
loyal and honest) there.
The Walküres, (Valkyries, Nordic amazons) and Wotan (Odin, the Zeuss of the
Northern mythology gods) not only inspired Wagner to his operas. The whole
idealism of the Nordic races became a credo then, not only for the Nazis who
also picked up that theme.
One could go on and on, I suppose.
There were, of course, corresponding with the tastes of the times some childish
and innocent gong names too, like Mauthe's Echo and Lyra gong, and HAC's
Kling Klang gong.
Oh, not to forget the Gnom(e) gong by Oscar Kreuzer :D
Gong making was quite competitive, true, and some clock manufacturers kept their
actual gong suppliers an enviously kept secret.
BTW, Germans do not differ between a gong and chimes in common speech; chimes
would rather refer to Glockenspiel (bells) and that's where we arrive back again at the
Glocken Geläute gongs and such, as already stated, because the fancy churches and
cityhalls all used to have these bell chimes.
 

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Here is Kienzle....you may already have it?
Zep would be proud to see the "Gong HO' continue!
 

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Here is Kienzle....you may already have it?
Zep would be proud to see the "Gong HO' continue!
Thanks! I didn't have that one yet and I've never seen anything quite like it. Bet it sounds nice when it counts the hours.
 

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ccf,
It sounds great! It sounds like a much larger clock striking...can be heard thru the house.

Jay
 

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Hello,
I got beautifull balcony clock with Elite gong. Never seen such gong before. Is it by Mauthe? Movement is by Erhart Schlenker. Regards
Gintaras

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Hello,
I got beautifull balcony clock with Elite gong. Never seen such gong before. Is it by Mauthe? Movement is by Erhart Schlenker. Regards
Gintaras

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Tosca-Elite was a Mauthe trademark for a gong, but your gong just shows "Elite", so I am not sure if it is a Mauthe gong.

Below is a full-page advertisement for the Tosca-Elite gong from a 1931 Deutsche Uhrmacher-Zeitung (courtesy of Doug Stevenson):

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Regards.
 

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Movement is by Erhart Schlenker. Regards
According to H.-H. Schmid's 'Lexikon der deutschen Uhrenindustrie', the logo on your movement is attributed to Erhard-Robert Schlenker but only 'unter Vorbehalt' (that is with reservations, it has not been definitely identified as E-R. Schlenker's). Do you know if it can now definitely be attributed to Schlenker?

JTD
 

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Hello,
I got beautifull balcony clock with Elite gong. Never seen such gong before. Is it by Mauthe? Movement is by Erhart Schlenker. Regards
Gintaras
Hello Gintaras!

The Gong on your clock is made by Mauthe, but I also see this option for the first time.

I found such a case with GB movement.

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BR, Tatyana
 

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According to H.-H. Schmid's 'Lexikon der deutschen Uhrenindustrie', the logo on your movement is attributed to Erhard-Robert Schlenker but only 'unter Vorbehalt' (that is with reservations, it has not been definitely identified as E-R. Schlenker's). Do you know if it can now definitely be attributed to Schlenker?

JTD
JTD,

The DRP number on the movement of the clock is hidden, but if it is DRP 147023, it was granted to E-R Schlenker:

Kienzle / Wilde

Perhaps Gintaras could confirm or correct the number. This, of course, does not confirm the owner of the TM, but perhaps gets us closer to the answer.:)

Regards.
 
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JTD,

The DRP number on the movement of the clock is hidden, but if it is DRP 147023, it was granted to E-R Schlenker:

Kienzle / Wilde

Perhaps Gintaras could confirm or correct the number. This, of course, does not confirm the owner of the TM, but perhaps gets us closer to the answer.:)

Regards.
Yes, DRP is 147023. The case provided in Tatjana' pictures is identical to mine. Unfortunately gong type is not visible.
Gintaras
 

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Some of the less common names were exclusive to certain regional markets & do not turn up in regular factory literature. For example, clocks sold in Austria or Bohemia compared to those sold in Germany and France. Because of their obscurity, these gongs were never well documented and may be lost to the ages. The ornate gold painting and detailed patterning are very much indicative of how German gong making was once an art form of its own - sadly completely lost upon clocks and gongs being factory-manufactured anew.

While it's debatable and subjective when the sound quality of factory-produced German gongs took a dive, the artistry aspect was abandoned by 1930. The prime period for "artistic" German gongs would be 1890-1929.
 
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Although the casting is not very good, I believe this says Kirchengong.

JTD
I think you're right, JTD. Interestingly, we have seen a few examples of a Kirchengong, such as this one:

Need help identifying grandfather clock

The ones on the MB all seem to have the gong base itself in the shape of a, well, Kirche. Curious to find a different-shaped one, teaming up with Mauthe's Echogong.
 

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When painting gongs for restoration I use thick enamel paint. The thickness will have some effect on sound quality - thicker paint = mellow sound, thinner paint = louder sound. As the Germans traditionally preferred a mellow sound, thick enamel paint is to be used. Fine detailing is achieved with thin layers of metallic gold paint, applied with a toothpick.

Mauthe's usual paint of choice was usually a dull red tinge. Seeing any other color on a Mauthe gong is unusual.

When paintwork is not damaged, I simply wash entire gongs with Slicklube. The rods/coils need not be removed, they are not normally meant to come out which is why they're fixed so tightly in the first place. The Slicklube, or similar oil, is simply sprayed all around and wiped clean with a cloth. This improves not only the appearance but also sound quality. Tuning new rods and coils is a subject of its own.

Some more nice 'n clean German gongs from the archive. One Gustav Becker, three Kienzles. The last one is notable as it portrays a plainer gong pattern introduced by 1930. This particular clock was specially tailored for the American trade which was more focused on the chime's sound quality rather than looks.

The other three gongs are typical German practice and are very ornate.

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I have not seen these gong names before. Mikrolisk yields no clear trademark correspondence though the name 'Aida' turns up as an opera in four acts written by Giuseppe Verdi. 'Consonance', as with other gong names, is descriptive of the gong's sound quality and the church casting pattern is a nice aesthetic touch.

Another one for the pictorial archive: a double coil Volta Gong, hailing from Kraft Behrens.
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I hope this contribution helps. JTD reports Westminster is a trade name on gongs from Gustav Becker (see thread linked below).

This is from an American Chime Clock Company, Phila, PA tall clock with a Mauthe movement. See: Lightning Strikes Thrice

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The longest rod is 20-1/4" (51.4cm) It sits on a box that is 9" x 12" x 2-3/4" deep (22.8 x 30.5 x 6.9 cm). The box is open to the back of the clock through a cut out in the rear panel.

As you can see, the box has split. Chimeclockfan - a few questions for you if you don't mind:
  1. Is the box construction common? I presume this was designed to help the sound resonate? Any thoughts on that?
  2. Do you have any recommendations for cleaning the rust from the rods? I asked in another thread in the Repair section Rusty Gong Rods, so it might be best to answer this question there.
  3. What do you think about whether I should try to glue the split? It doesn't seem to create a rattle or other interference with the sound, but I worry about it getting worse, and it bothers me in general.
Tom

P.S. Cool thread.
 
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American Chime Clock Co. used Mauthe movements - I have a trade advertisement in storage somewhere. The 'Westminster' legion was used by several companies and that included Mauthe.

1. The box is nothing like what I've seen before and as guessed would help to amplify the chimes in such a large case. Not a German-derived layout.
2. I soak the rods in Slick Lube 50, applied with a smooth cloth and let to dry for a day. If the rust isn't too bad then this should work.
3. If pressing and gluing don't work then you may have to remake that wood panel, if not the entire box. Splits in soundboards or boxes can completely destroy the sound quality even if the gong and rest of case are good.
 

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Ulmer Münster is a Lutheran church in Ulm, Germany and the basis for these gongs' imagery. As J. Hengstler was a mass supplier of gongs to several German clock companies, the logical chain makes sense. The only other supplier - Urgos from 1923 onward - did not make any gongs for other companies with such heavy ornamentation.
 
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Münster Gong was discussed a bit back in 2012. Hard to see, but it would seem there is an umlaut in the mikrolisk picture.

Whose trademark is this?

Kurt
 

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Good day and greetings from Hanoi, Vietnam!
I love Gustav Becker clock so much! Great thread.
My Gustav Becker watch with gong is the Westminster Harfen-Gong.
 
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A great clock, perfect sound. It's been a pleasure to learn so much about these clocks since I began this research about 10 years ago.
The Westminster-Harfen Gong first appears in a 1912 catalog and was produced up to 1932.

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A clock very much like your own appears in the 1924 catalog. They could be made with chime or strike movements:

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Hello All...I'm new to the site and have to say this place rocks as far as clock info goes.
Thank you very much JA Olson!
I have Gustav Becker movement, the two stamped logos with P48 between them. I beleive it was made at Frierburg as that is what the logo on the left says. Serial on the movement is 2360092, listed below the makers marks and also in two spots on the face side.

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Her is my Largo Gong in a DUFA box clock. I am not sure if that is an i or a 1 or just a vertical bar under the name?

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Tom
Replying to Tom's earlier posting of a DUFA with a Largo gong.

I recently picked up a somewhat weathered DUFA box clock.

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What had intrigued me was that I heard Jurgen ("soaringyjoy") wax poetic about the virtues of the Largo gong.


What I had understood from his and other's posts was that the Largo was known to use 3 straight rods, Bim Bam style, mounted at an angle as well as coiled versions like Tom's.

That is indeed what I found in this clock:

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Yes despite the crusty look, it sounds lovely.

Oh BTW I believe it was Jurgen who had stated that some DUFA movements were made by Gustav Becker. Here's an example:


On the left is a photo of a GB Silesia of mine and on the right is the DUFA. If you click the photo open you can really see the similarities.

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Jurgen knew everything there was to learn about the German clock industry. He, Doug Stevenson, and Hans-Heinrich Schmid taught me plenty. All of them are gone now and very much missed. I know they'd be happy to see these old German clocks and their customary gongs gathering more attention.

A bit of wood staining and perhaps light varnish will clean your clock's case right up. The carved ornamentation on the crown sometimes received a brass tinting when new. Others were cream, others polished wood.
 
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I joined the NAWCC only a few years ago so I didn’t interact with Jurgen directly but his generous spirit lives on here on the boards.

I appreciate your suggestions about restoring the box J. A.
 
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Thank you for the nice Kienzle photos. I've been recovering from an illness and had some time to check my notifications.
The Kienzle clock is unusual in that it has geared winding arbors similar to Mauthe and other makes. But it is a Kienzle.

The first version of the Kienzle Westminster Orgel Gong is unusual in that it wields two separate banks for both sets of rods.
It was only used on early production chime clocks and is very hard to come across compared to later examples.
No catalog entries on hand. I have a spare unit with original rods in the gong pool. It has not been recently used for anything beyond testing.
The seller had no photos of the clock it came from so it is nice to have photos of a complete clock documented.

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I've been recovering from an illness and had some time to check my notifications.
Glad to see you back. Hope your recovery continues to go well.
 
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Hello, I’d like to add another gong to your collection:) I’ve been waiting 15 years to get a fitting clock for my office (cause at that time I bought furniture from round 1920) and I was got be a surprise when I took out the clock mechanism and found this gong! I could have got any kind of those gongs but I got Notre Dame…just for you to understand I live between CZ and Paris…that’s why it’s such an incredible coincidence:)

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Hello, I’d like to add another gong to your collection:) I’ve been waiting 15 years to get a fitting clock for my office (cause at that time I bought furniture from round 1920) and I was got be a surprise when I took out the clock mechanism and found this gong! I could have got any kind of those gongs but I got Notre Dame…just for you to understand I live between CZ and Paris…that’s why it’s such an incredible coincidence:)

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Btw do you have any idea who might be the producer of this clock? The only think I’ve found was the serial number…thanks:)
 

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One of the rarer and more elusive gongs. It must sound like Emmanuel tolling out when it strikes.

Mikrolisk's listing states that Notre Dame Gong has been attributed to Norddeutsche Uhrenfabrik, registered on 4/10/1921.
 

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Hello, I’d like to add another gong to your collection:) I’ve been waiting 15 years to get a fitting clock for my office (cause at that time I bought furniture from round 1920) and I was got be a surprise when I took out the clock mechanism and found this gong! I could have got any kind of those gongs but I got Notre Dame…just for you to understand I live between CZ and Paris…that’s why it’s such an incredible coincidence:)

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This is the first time I've seen such a gong resonator.
To me, it looks closer to 1900.

Please show us the movement and the case.

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Tatyana
 

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Mikrolisk's listing states that Notre Dame Gong has been attributed to Norddeutsche Uhrenfabrik, registered on 4/10/1921.
Doug Stevenson, in the 2009 Clock and Watch Bulletin -Gong Ho - confirms that Norddeutsche was the creator of this gong.

Mikrolisk indicates Norddeutsche was located in Berlin, which leads me to believe they were not clockmakers, but were makers / distributors of clock parts to the industry.

Perhaps Schmid's Lexikon can provide more information.

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