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Mystery (to me) Movement Verge Fusee

L_Meckley

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Hello. This is my first time posting on these forums, I apologize ahead of time for being a complete newbie.

I am trying to find more information about a pair case watch I recently came across. This is mostly for curiosities sake as I do not think it carries a lot of value in the current, broken, condition. Usually I can find markings and the like in my books, but this one has me stumped because the movement is just blank. I have come across several similar looking movements while looking online, but end up confused by the use of terminology I am just not experienced enough yet to really understand.

The case is marked, but I cannot find those marks either, and am not sure they are even related to the movement itself. I will gladly add more pictures if needed of specific parts.

The rear plate measures about 34mm across, the dial is 36.3mm and slightly domed. About 9mm thick at the edge of the movement. At least one of the hands has been replaced. Fits fairly loose in the outer case, but both outer and inner case share the "1562" marking.

Any further info is much appreciated. Thanks.

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gmorse

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Hi L_Meckley, and welcome to the forum,

Any further info is much appreciated
This verge fusee watch is, I think, European in origin, but I can't decide which particular country. It has some French features in its internal layout, but the top plate, with the pierced and engraved slide plate entirely covering it isn't familiar. The markings on the cases probably don't relate to the movement, since the cases would have been made by a separate set of craftspeople, usually to fit the specific movement. The only vaguely recognisable mark is the small shield with three chevrons, which resembles a Swiss canton mark.

It has at least two pillar pins missing, and perhaps more, which has allowed the plates to spread slightly, so any looseness in wheel arbors may be due to this and not necessarily broken pivots. There's also a screw missing in the mechanism for adjusting the escape wheel, which itself is a French/Swiss feature.

I think it dates from the end of the 18th or beginning of the 19th centuries, but its precise origin is a mystery.

Regards,

Graham
 
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svenedin

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The case marks look a bit like the Swiss marks for Neuchatel. I had to save your photo and turn it up the right way. There's a chevron and a bird. I can't really find any decent information on such early marks so I am not at all sure.
 

John Matthews

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I have enlarged the marks on the case ... (Enrico is the most likely person to be able to help ...)

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and here are the Neuchatel marks 'ancient & modern' ...

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and the appropriate page from Markham

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John
 

L_Meckley

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I had come across the Swiss markings in my search, but didn't focus on them too much since the chevrons were inverted on my mark. The bird also appears to be a shoddy version of a two headed eagle. Both of which make sense if they are fake marks. I hadn't considered that, but I did find it bizarre that a movement like this wasn't signed in some way and thought it might be some variety of counterfeit. The pierced plate, while fancy looking at a glance, also has an overall "cheesy" appearance upon closer examination.

So it's German. Is it old? Or just made to appear old? Or can't really tell at this point?

And thanks for all the info so far.
 

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