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Greg Frauenhoff

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Thanks for the new data. The thread will live if people take it upon themselves to post new sightings.
 

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Greg Frauenhoff;1000832 said:
Thanks for the new data. The thread will live if people take it upon themselves to post new sightings.
Greg,

When you have time please post an updated list, last one is Aug. 2013.

THANKS!
 

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Here is the updated (I hope) s/n list:

1089-"E. A. Muckle 1867 Pat."-18s

162-Northwestern-18s-KW-NOT a Muckle (Wal. #489918)
611-Northwestern-18s KW-NOT a Muckle
2518-Northwestern-18s KW-NOT a Muckle
5925-Northwestern-SW-NOT a Muckle
10383-Northwestern-SW-NOT a Muckle
11717-Northwestern-KW-NOT a Muckle
15722-Northwestern-Muckle (missing back cover)
16726-Northwestern-Muckle-18s
16755-Northwestern-Muckle (Wal. #1954020)
17111-?-Muckle
17536-Northwestern-Muckle
20092-Northwestern-Muckle (Wal. #2164511)
20943-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle (Pat. 1882)-18s
20946-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
20972-Northwestern-Muckle (Wal. #2405663)
21117 (dust cover only, Pat. 1882)
21349-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield
21838-Northwestern?-Muckle (Wal. #1949535)
21849-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
21913-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle ("Pat. 1882")
21969-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle ("Pat. 1882") (Rock. #90152)
22146-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
22196-Northwestern-Muckle
22368-Muckle
22628-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle (Rock. #320225)
22640-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
22706-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
22726-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
22805-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
22808-Fasoldt
22873-?-Muckle (Fredonia #5514)
22999-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
23016-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
23195-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
23203-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle (Elg. #1630966)
23303
23595-Rockford-Muckle (Elg. #1720785)
23693-18s
23696-Rockford-Muckle (Elg. #1711075)
23958-Rockford w/ "R"-Muckle-18s
24060-Rockford w/ "R"-Muckle-18s silver
24233-Rockford
24483-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
24572-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
24876-Rockford w/ "R"-Muckle-16s silver
25047-"R"-Muckle
25120-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
25205-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
25459-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
25535-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
25580-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s (Rock. #364619)
25933-
Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
26102-"R"-Muckle-16s
26638-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s ebay
27249-Rockford
27251-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
27804-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
27884-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
28055-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
28066-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-(size?)
28152-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s (Elg. #1568741)
28234-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
28562-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
28302-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s (14K?)
28588-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
28648-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
28650-Rockford w/ "R"-Muckle (Hampden "The Climax" #247703)
28657-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s (Lancaster #191029)
28827-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
28869-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
28891-Rockford w/ "R"-Muckle (Waltham #2299079 original?)
29281-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
29336-Rockford (Rockford #328719)
29368-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle (Elgin #2530938)
29445
29491-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
29497-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
29617-Rockford
29669-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
29885-
Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
30109-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
30215-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
30834-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-NOT a Muckle
31367-Muckle-18s
31494-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
31501-Rockford-Muckle (Elgin #2026695)
31621-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
31645-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
31902-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle (ebay)
32061
45112-Muckle style "Patented April 3d 1883", but may have been manufactured by Muhr as it has Muhr style trademark and it is not marked either Northwestern or Rockford
93264-Muhr trademark-Muckle-16s (Elgin #3785772)
149918-Muhr trademark "Excelsior"-Muckle-16s

BTW, anyone can update and/or correct the list as needed.
 

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Seems to be of the same ilk as the one posted by darrahg in post #143 on page 10 of this thread.


138751 - Gold filled 'Excelsior' in waving flag with "warranted" underneath - also has "patented April April 3rd 1883 above on same cover.

- 16s Serial #1398976, made in 1884, Elgin Nat'l Watch Co. on mvt. & dial.

Sold today, if auctioneer responds to my request I will post photos.
 

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Another for the database Greg, Serial# 25945, 16 Size, mark with Rockford and has a Shield with the R, also on the inside of back cover is marked in a circular pattern with E A Muckle, PAT'D April 3D 1883. Has a Grade 112 onboard with serial#355635, looks very original, and probably is, from that large auction site, now in my collection.

Cheers,
Bila
 

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Greg, for your database. This is my 1st Northwestern-Muckle 18s, serial no. 16746. Very pleased with its very good condition.

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I saw one of late as a buy it now, reached for the mouse 3 times and decided I had to much on
my plate, (in the back of my mind I thought............ later). Congrats on this Muckle Cliff. Keith
 

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Very nice score on the Muckle! Looks to be in fantastic condition!
 

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I just picked up this Muckle case. It's serial number 27896, and not on your list. It's 16s, marked E.A. Muckle Apr. 3rd 1883, Rockford, Coin, and has the shield with the R.

It appears to me to be a factory glass back case. What are your thoughts, and have you seen other examples like this? The center case and both bezels are stamped with matching partial serial numbers.

Great informational thread!

https://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=350442 https://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=350435 https://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=350440 https://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=350434 https://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=350438 https://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=350432 https://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=350436 https://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=350431
 

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TimeAntiquarian;1128102 said:
Here is another one to add to the master list.

#21359
Northwest [R in Shield]

E.A. Muckle
Pat. 1882
Is this one 16s or 18s? Unusual to see the 1882 date (rather than 1883) on a case with this serial number.
 

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Greg Frauenhoff;1128099 said:
Neat watch. Thanks for sharing the info and pics. I don't recall seeing another like it.
Thanks Mr. Frauenhoff. The serial numbers on the list closest to mine are also 16s. In my head it would work like pocket watch movements and a run of 10, 20, etc consecutive serial numbers would be made the same. Surely they made a block of at least 10 of these, or maybe just made them to order?
 

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Greg Frauenhoff;1128119 said:
Is this one 16s or 18s? Unusual to see the 1882 date (rather than 1883) on a case with this serial number.
#21359 is 18s

Looks like 21117, 21913, and 21969 have been recorded with the 1882 date, correct?
 

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TimeAntiquarian;1128167 said:
#21359 is 18s

Looks like 21117, 21913, and 21969 have been recorded with the 1882 date, correct?
You are correct. I hadn't checked the list.
 

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Thanks Jim.

I suspect a search of both ebay and Jones-Horan will turn up some additional numbers.

Greg
Yes, the last two I posted are from J&H sales. I started adding to your data in the 1990's when you had the lists on AOL, site, which they discountiuned and I am glad you were able to save most of it.
 

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Here is the updated (I hope) s/n list:

1089-"E. A. Muckle 1867 Pat."-18s

162-Northwestern-18s-KW-NOT a Muckle (Wal. #489918)
611-Northwestern-18s KW-NOT a Muckle
2518-Northwestern-18s KW-NOT a Muckle
5925-Northwestern-SW-NOT a Muckle
10383-Northwestern-SW-NOT a Muckle
11717-Northwestern-KW-NOT a Muckle
15722-Northwestern-Muckle (missing back cover)
16725-"North Western"-Muckle-18s
16726-Northwestern-Muckle-18s
16746-"North Western"-Muckle-18s
16749-Northwestern-Muckle-18s
16755-Northwestern-Muckle (Wal. #1954020)
16915-Northwestern-Muckle-18s
17111-"North Western"-Muckle-18s (Pat. 1882)
17536-Northwestern-Muckle
20092-Northwestern-Muckle (Wal. #2164511)
20943-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle (Pat. 1882)-18s
20946-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
20972-Northwestern-Muckle (Wal. #2405663)
21035-"Northwest"- "R" in shield"-Muckle-18s (Pat. 1882)
21117 (dust cover only, Pat. 1882)
21349-Muckle-18s
21359-"Northwest" w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s (Pat. 1882)
21838-Northwestern?-Muckle (Wal. #1949535)
21849-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
21913-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle ("Pat. 1882")
21969-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle ("Pat. 1882") (Rock. #90152)
22025-"Northwest" w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s (Dust cover has Pat. 1882 and "R" and two serial nos.: 22830 and 29030)
22146-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
22196-Northwestern-Muckle
22368-Muckle
22628-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle (Rock. #320225)
22640-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
22706-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
22726-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
22794-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
22805-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
22808-Fasoldt
22873-Rockford w/ "R" in shiled-Muckle-18s (Pat. 1882) (Fredonia #5514)
22999-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
23016-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
23195-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
23203-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle (Elg. #1630966)
23303
23428-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
23595-Rockford-Muckle (Elg. #1720785)
23693-18s
23696-Rockford-Muckle (Elg. #1711075)
23958-Rockford w/ "R"-Muckle-18s
24060-Rockford w/ "R"-Muckle-18s silver
24233-Rockford
24483-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
24572-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
24876-Rockford w/ "R"-Muckle-16s silver
25047-"R"-Muckle
25115-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
25120-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
25205-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
25459-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
25535-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
25580-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s (Rock. #364619)
25933-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
26102-"R"-Muckle-16s
26310-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
26443-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
26448-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
26638-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s ebay
27249-Rockford
27251-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
27543-" " "-18s (Pat. Apr. 3 1883)
27572-" " "-Muckle-18s (pat. Apr. 3 1883 on same cover as trademark instead of dust cover)
27804-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
27884-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
27896-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
28055-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
28066-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-(size?)
28152-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s (Elg. #1568741)
28234-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
28562-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
28302-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s (14K?)
28588-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
28608-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
28648-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
28650-Rockford w/ "R"-Muckle (Hampden "The Climax" #247703)
28657-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s (Lancaster #191029)
28827-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
28869-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
28891-Rockford w/ "R"-Muckle (Waltham #2299079 original?)
29146-Rockford w/"R" in shield-Muckle-18s
29281-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
29336-Rockford (Rockford #328719)
29368-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle (Elgin #2530938)
29445
29491-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
29497-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
29617-Rockford
29669-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
29885-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
29945-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
30011-" " "
30109-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
30215-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
30592-" " "
31686-" " "-18s
30834-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-NOT a Muckle
31367-Muckle-18s
31494-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
31501-Rockford-Muckle (Elgin #2026695)
31621-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
31645-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
31902-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle (ebay)
32046-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
32061
45112-Muckle style "Patented April 3d 1883", but may have been manufactured by Muhr as it has Muhr style trademark and it is not marked either Northwestern or Rockford
93264-Muhr trademark-Muckle-16s (Elgin #3785772)
138751-Muhr trademark "Excelsior-Muckle-16s
149918-Muhr trademark "Excelsior"-Muckle-16s

BTW, anyone can update and/or correct the list as needed.
 
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Two orders for Hampden mvts from J. C. Perry's memo booklets. The first, which was shown above in post #149, is for the NW Watch Case Co. (Dec. 1884) and the second for the Rockford Watch Case Co. (Apr. 1886).

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Here is the updated (I hope) s/n list:

1089-"E. A. Muckle 1867 Pat."-18s

162-Northwestern-18s-KW-NOT a Muckle (Wal. #489918)
611-Northwestern-18s KW-NOT a Muckle
2518-Northwestern-18s KW-NOT a Muckle
5925-Northwestern-SW-NOT a Muckle
10383-Northwestern-SW-NOT a Muckle
11717-Northwestern-KW-NOT a Muckle
15722-Northwestern-Muckle (missing back cover)
16725-"North Western"-Muckle-18s
16726-Northwestern-Muckle-18s
16746-"North Western"-Muckle-18s
16749-Northwestern-Muckle-18s
16755-Northwestern-Muckle (Wal. #1954020)
16759-18s
16915-Northwestern-Muckle-18s
17031 North Western - E.A. Muckle Pat 1882 18s
17111-"North Western"-Muckle-18s (Pat. 1882)
17536-Northwestern-Muckle
20092-Northwestern-Muckle (Wal. #2164511)
20876-18s
20943-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle (Pat. 1882)-18s
20946-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
20972-Northwestern-Muckle (Wal. #2405663)
21035-"Northwest"- "R" in shield"-Muckle-18s (Pat. 1882)
21117 (dust cover only, Pat. 1882)
21349-Muckle-18s
21359-"Northwest" w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s (Pat. 1882)
21838-Northwestern?-Muckle (Wal. #1949535)
21849-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
21913-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle ("Pat. 1882")
21969-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle ("Pat. 1882") (Rock. #90152)
22025-"Northwest" w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s (Dust cover has Pat. 1882 and "R" and two serial nos.: 22830 and 29030)
22146-Northwestern w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
22196-Northwestern-Muckle
22365-18s
22368-Muckle
22628-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle (Rock. #320225)
22640-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
22706-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
22726-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
22794-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
22805-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
22808-Fasoldt
22873-Rockford w/ "R" in shiled-Muckle-18s (Pat. 1882) (Fredonia #5514)
22999-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
23016-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
23195-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
23203-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle (Elg. #1630966)
23303
23428-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
23595-Rockford-Muckle (Elg. #1720785)
23693-18s
23696-Rockford-Muckle (Elg. #1711075)
23901 Rockford R in shield Muckle 18s
23958-Rockford w/ "R"-Muckle-18s
24060-Rockford w/ "R"-Muckle-18s silver
24219-18s
24277-18s
24233-Rockford
24483-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
24524-18s
24572-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
24876-Rockford w/ "R"-Muckle-16s silver
25047-"R"-Muckle
25115-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
25120-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
25205-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
25459-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
25535-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
25580-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s (Rock. #364619)
25933-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
26102-"R"-Muckle-16s
26310-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
26443-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
26448-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
26638-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s ebay
27249-Rockford
27251-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
27543-" " "-18s (Pat. Apr. 3 1883)
27572-" " "-Muckle-18s (pat. Apr. 3 1883 on same cover as trademark instead of dust cover)
27804-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
27884-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
27896-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
28055-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
28066-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-(size?)
28152-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s (Elg. #1568741)
28234-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
28562-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
28302-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s (14K?)
28588-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
28608-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
28603-18s
28648-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
28650-Rockford w/ "R"-Muckle (Hampden "The Climax" #247703)
28657-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s (Lancaster #191029)
28827-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
28869-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
28891-Rockford w/ "R"-Muckle (Waltham #2299079 original?)
29146-Rockford w/"R" in shield-Muckle-18s
29281-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
29336-Rockford (Rockford #328719)
29368-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle (Elgin #2530938)
29445
29491-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
29497-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
29617-Rockford
29669-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
29885-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
29945-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-16s
30011-" " "
30109-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
30215-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
30592-" " "
31686-" " "-18s
30834-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-NOT a Muckle
31367-Muckle-18s
31494-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
31501-Rockford-Muckle (Elgin #2026695)
31621-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
31645-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle
31902-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle (ebay)
32046-Rockford w/ "R" in shield-Muckle-18s
32061
45112-Muckle style "Patented April 3d 1883", but may have been manufactured by Muhr as it has Muhr style trademark and it is not marked either Northwestern or Rockford
93264-Muhr trademark-Muckle-16s (Elgin #3785772)
138751-Muhr trademark "Excelsior-Muckle-16s
149918-Muhr trademark "Excelsior"-Muckle-16s

BTW, anyone can update and/or correct the list as needed.
 
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