Movement Maker Indentification Please???

Bila

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Does someone recognizes this under dial movement makers mark at all, the watch is a Swiss lever, pin set movement imported by Saunders Jewelers, Sydney into Australia around the turn of the 20th Century.

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Seems to be not the oldest of Rotherhams.

This watch is a little strange case markings wise, a family heirloom and all original and was purchased in an around 1902, sold out of Sydney Australia, Why I say strange it has a Sterling Silver case marked for John Rotherhams' (so all good), but has a Birmingham Assay mark, his own case mark on the case is correct for the initial registration at the Birmingham office. So why is its date mark for the London assay office from the year 1896, this does not sound right, but it has been checked various times.

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This watch is a little strange case markings wise, a family heirloom and all original and was purchased in an around 1902, sold out of Sydney Australia, Why I say strange it has a Sterling Silver case marked for John Rotherhams' (so all good), but has a Birmingham Assay mark, his own case mark on the case is correct for the initial registration at the Birmingham office. So why is its date mark for the London assay office from the year 1896, this does not sound right, but it has been checked various times.

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What doesn't sound right about it?
 

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Birmingham Assay mark with a London Assay Office date stamp, I thought if assayed in Birmingham it would have a date mark from the same office?
 

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This watch is a little strange case markings wise, a family heirloom and all original and was purchased in an around 1902, sold out of Sydney Australia, Why I say strange it has a Sterling Silver case marked for John Rotherhams' (so all good), but has a Birmingham Assay mark, his own case mark on the case is correct for the initial registration at the Birmingham office. So why is its date mark for the London assay office from the year 1896, this does not sound right, but it has been checked various times.

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The a letter in the scalloped bottom shield is for Birmingham in 1900/01. The same date letter was also used in London in 1896/97. Date letters are not unique nor are the shields. You need all the marks for a hallmark: hall, date, purity and sponsor. It is only the set that is unique.
 

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Thanks Tom, the book I have here does not show that as a Birmingham mark, as they stop in 1899 by it, so I will have to invest in another Hallmark book.
 

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