Morbier wall clock

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  1. BOBJAYR

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    HAVE A MORBIER WALL CLOCK. SEE PHOTOS.

    IT DID NOT HAVE A PENDULUM ROD OR PENDULUM.

    I MADE UP A ROD AND PENDULUM AND THE CLOCK RUNS
    FINE.

    I WOULD LIKE TO OBTAIN A MORBIER ROD AND PENDULUM
    THAT IS MADE FOR THIS CLOCK.

    I SEE THAT TIMESAVERS HAS ONE ON PAGE 85 OF THEIR
    LATEST CATALOG.

    DOES ANYONE HAVE A SIMILAR CLOCK AND IS THIS LIKE
    THE ORIGINAL ONES AND IS IT THE CORRECT LENGTH. THE
    ONE I MADE IS A LITTLE SHORTER.

    ALSO THE CORD ON THIS CLOCK IS RED. I SEE TIMESAVERS
    HAS CORDS FOR THIS CLOCK AND RED IS ONE OPTION. IS
    THIS LIKE THE ORIGINAL ONES OR SHOULD IT BE NATURAL.

    THANKS, BOB[​IMG][​IMG]
     
  2. ballistarius

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    Hi Bob,

    Could you post pics of the movement, please?
    The pressed dial surround is a modern crude replica, and the dial is nice, but it looks modern too...:(

    Regards,

    Aitor
     
  3. BOBJAYR

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    Thanks so much for your notes.

    I've attached some views of the movement
    from the left and right sides.

    Hopefully you can tell if this is an original
    or replica. If you need more photos of the
    movement, I'll have to remove the dial and
    get them to you.

    Thanks, Bob[​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
     
  4. JTD

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    As far as I can see, the whole clock is fairly modern. Others may have more definite opinions.

    JTD
     
  5. TEACLOCKS

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    I love you JTD you know that. But what do you mean modern:???:?
    Not 200 years old
    Lloyd Watson
     
  6. ballistarius

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    Many trhanks for the pics, Bob.
    Judging from its back, the dial is a modern replica, too.
    I'm puzzled by the movement, because it looks original, but some details make me think that it is also a well-made an accurate replica made in the 1970s or so.
    A rugged and reliable movement, in any case:)
    As to your original question, you need a big, heavy pendulum (lyra or pressed brass) to move that big 'roof' anchor.
    Regards,

    Aitor
     
  7. John Arrowood

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    S. LaRose sold some similar clocks 20-30 years ago and I bought one. I gave it to my brother when I moved. It hangs in his office building not running because they never think about winding. It has the thin pressed brass pendlum.
     
  8. JTD

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    I love you too, Lloyd, but I was deliberately a bit vague in my dating! I am not sure: but if pressed I would say certainly after WWII and probably after 1950. The dial and surround are definitely repro, as has already been said. The movement is very well made but somehow I don't think it is 'old' (!). So yes, post WWII and probably post 1950.

    Or to put it another way, I am older than the clock!

    JTD
     
  9. BOBJAYR

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    Aitor:

    Many thanks for your analysis. If you have the time, I would like
    to remove the dial etc and take some more photos of the movement
    front and back and have you take another look at it. It will be a couple
    of days for me to do that.

    Bob
     
  10. ballistarius

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    You're welcome, Bob:D
    Take your time and let's see if thre is some tell-tale detail in the movement.

    John,
    Do you mean a big, elongated pear-shape, pressed brass pendulum, don't you?

    Aitor
     
  11. John Arrowood

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    Yes, the pendulum resembles that on real Morbiers.
     
  12. BOBJAYR

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    HERE ARE THE PHOTOS OF THE FRONT OF THE MOVEMENT. LET ME
    KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

    THE PENDULUM THAT TIMESAVERS HAS IS A PEAR SHAPED ONE[​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] WITH A
    35 INCH ROD. THE BOB IS 1 1/2 INCHES IN DIAMETER. WOULD THIS
    BE SIMILAR TO AN ORIGINAL ONE?

    THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR HELP, BOB
     
  13. ballistarius

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    Hi Bob,
    Thanks for the photos. Your Morbier movement is clearly a well made replica, probably made in the 1970s.
    The lead pendulum you quote from Timesavers is only adequate for 18th, early 19th century Morbiers. The pressed brass ones we are talking about are like this one from M&P http://www.medmaw.com/cgi-bin/medmaw/medmaw.cgi?cart_id=4021324_49960&page=html/muk/parts/outlet_frontpage_query_img.html&session=&details=y&exact_match:^n&search_request_button=y&store=parts&mall_name=muk&product=5236&
    They are really expensive, more than you would pay for a real 19th century Morbier today... A big lyre pendulum would be a perfect alternative, too.
    Regards,

    Aitor
     
  14. BOBJAYR

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    Aitor:

    Thanks very much for your expert analysis and conclusions.
    Really appreciate the time you took to review my photos.

    This message board has been of immense value to me over
    the years. Its amazing how we can contact folks anywhere in
    the world and get great advice.

    Thanks again, Bob
     
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    Hi, I decided to render some thoughts about this clock. I agree that the surround and the face are reproductions. The clock movement is a different story. It is an older original movement with a bad case of restoration. I would put a rough guess of around 1900. What brought this to my attention was the wear shown on cage posts. These posts were not redone and show typical wear in these clocks. Many of the brass gears etc were cleaned with rough sand paper and leave significant sanding marks. Other parts like the strike rack show no evidence of cleaning at all. Looking at the suspension rod where the "dog bone" is attached, you can see the rod was cleaned without removing or disconnecting the dog bone. Looking down at the base plate you can see where it was repainted in a sloppy manner leaving paint on the bottom of the split toe feet. Some parts like the winding barrels look to be new replacements. Some of this looks as if someone tried to clean and polish parts without disassembly of the movement. One thing I do not understand is the heavy oil reserve bushings. These would not be found on original clocks, but also could not be put in without taking it apart. I added a picture of a pendulum that would be typical of a clock this age. Charles
     
  16. BOBJAYR

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    Charles:

    Apparently my reply to you got caught up in the message board problem and did not get sent.

    Thanks very much for your observations. I want to learn as much as I can about this clock.

    Bob
     
  17. ddhix

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    I recently worked on one nearly identical to this.

    The customer said she bought it brand new for her wedding in 1978.

    As far as the pendulum goes, it was definitely not heavy. The pendulum was pressed brass sheet, and lighter than most large grandfather clock pendulums.

    Keep an eye out on eBay, they pop up on there quite frequently for $75 or so.
     
  18. BOBJAYR

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    Thanks, bob
     
  19. Dave T

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    Did you find a pendulum?
     
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