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Picked up this one last week. In a mess! Bout to start restoring. Any info appreciated. Thanks.
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A case for Evaporust it seems! I'm not sure if the pendulum is original to the clock. Your clock has a crown wheel/verge escapement. These usually came with a "simple" pendulum, which was a large (but not heavy because hollow) brass bob on a foldable rod. The ornate pendulum was usually used on later clocks with an anchor escapement. The crown wheel/verge escapement makes it likely that the clock was made prior to 1860. The pendulum may be too heavy for the movement to drive it because the verge escapement requires a relatively light pendulum.

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Looking at the additional pictures it seems there are extra holes drilled into the front of the cage, possibly to accommodate the brass surrounding of the dial. The style of the brass surround looks younger than the movement. It is quite possible that the brass surround and the pendulum belong together. They are similar in style.

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Looking at the additional pictures it seems there are extra holes drilled into the front of the cage, possibly to accommodate the brass surrounding of the dial. The style of the brass surround looks younger than the movement. It is quite possible that the brass surround and the pendulum belong together. They are similar in style.

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Thanks, Uhralt. Yep, there is a flower basket on the pendulum and a fruit bowl on the surround. Similar but not the same. The screws were rusted tight. Got all out but one. It’s soaking in penetrating oil over night. It’s such a mess that everything has to come apart and everything needs attention. Looks like lots of work but…. I’m retired with nothing to do. Ha-Ha!
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I did not get the weights with the clock. I have several in my bone pile but I don’t know what pound weights to try. Any suggestions?
 
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I'm sure it will clean up just fine. The weights of my Comtoise with a similar crown wheel movement are 9.5 and 10 pounds.

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I'll follow along on this thread.
I have one similar and curious how you get yours in better shape.
 

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Signature and dates are probably from early repairs of the clock.

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Get the book "Morbier Clocks" by Lawrence Seymour or, if you want to really dive in "Comtoise Clocks", Francis Maitzner - Jean Moreau (translated from the French by Seymour). Seymour's book is also available as a series of NAWCC Bulletins.
 

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Get the book "Morbier Clocks" by Lawrence Seymour or, if you want to really dive in "Comtoise Clocks", Francis Maitzner - Jean Moreau (translated from the French by Seymour). Seymour's book is also available as a series of NAWCC Bulletins.
Most of my knowledge comes from the German book "Die Comtoiser Uhr" by Gustav Schmitt.

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Here’s a video of it after cleaning it up, polishing the pivots, etc. it’s running and striking but the strike is only striking once. Most I’ve seen strike on the hour and repeat the strikes about 3 minutes after the hour. Is this one supposed to do that? I don’t have the weights but put 5 lb on the time and 11 on the strike. I’ll get a pair of correct weights somewhere.
 

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Relógio muito estranho!!!!!

escapamento de coroa com suspensão de metal, com pêndulo pesado... isso não vai dar certo.

Para fugas de coro, a suspensão é feita de arame e o pêndulo é feito de lentilhas de 16cm, tripartidas com cerca de 200gr. em peso e 90 cm a 106 cm de comprimento
 

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Seems as though the double rack isn't falling on the first strike?
That’s what I thought, Mike. I will study it today and try to figure out why.
Relógio muito estranho!!!!!

escapamento de coroa com suspensão de metal, com pêndulo pesado... isso não vai dar certo.

Para fugas de coro, a suspensão é feita de arame e o pêndulo é feito de lentilhas de 16cm, tripartidas com cerca de 200gr. em peso e 90 cm a 106 cm de comprimento
Thanks, Jorge. I will need someone to translate for me to understand your post.
 

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Very strange watch!!!!!

crown exhaust with metal suspension, with heavy pendulum....this is not going to go well.

For crown escapes, the suspension is made of wire and the pendulum is made of 16cm lentil tri-parted with about 200gr. in weight and 90cm to 106cm in length
 

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Very strange watch!!!!!

crown exhaust with metal suspension, with heavy pendulum....this is not going to go well.

For crown escapes, the suspension is made of wire and the pendulum is made of 16cm lentil tri-parted with about 200gr. in weight and 90cm to 106cm in length
Thanks, Jorge. I put two different weights on it and it is running well.I’m puzzled about the strike not working properly. I am researching the strike train set-up now. If anyone knows a good thread or other source explaining the strike train, I would appreciate it.
 

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It seems it doesn't strike the half hour as well even though I hear a lever falling (or similar) at the half hour. check why the half hour strike doesn't happen. I assume that will also solve your second strike problem. My gut feeling is that at the hour the first strike isn't fully triggered and what you hear is the second strike.

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It seems it doesn't strike the half hour as well even though I hear a lever falling (or similar) at the half hour. check why the half hour strike doesn't happen. I assume that will also solve your second strike problem. My gut feeling is that at the hour the first strike isn't fully triggered and what you hear is the second strike.

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Well, I found the problem. I looked back at my original photos and realized that I have the trip lever in the wrong place. It goes on the right side of the hand shaft and I put it where the two trip points straddle the arbor.DUH! I will post another video of it later. All works well with the heavier weights.
 
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Well, I found the problem. I looked back at my original photos and realized that I have the trip lever in the wrong place. It goes on the right side of the hand shaft and I put it where the two trip points straddle the arbor.DUH! I will post another video of it later. All works well with the heavier weights.
Glad you found it! I guess that now you will also have the half hour strike, correct?

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