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Your clock is actually more interesting then the average cottage.Gilbert 30 hour time only with alarm: 6 1/8" wide by 9 3/8" tall by 3" deep. The base is a little wider. Just aquired this. It's a cuttie!
Thanks.Interesting little guy. I used to own one of these cottage cabinets, and it was an eight day, or at least it had an eight-day spring. However, I found that the click kept giving away, and I began to suspect that either it needed a smaller 8-day spring or it was a 30-hour movement that a previous owner had tried to make an eight day. In any event, I let it go to a fellow who adopts lost causes.
I have Burt's articles in the little booklet that was later published by Great Lakes Chapter # 6. They are an interesting read but the classifications he developed are a bit thick to wade through. Still, a very useful series.
I see this thread has been dry for a while, so here's a contribution. I recently picked up this modest little cottage clock. It is unmarked except for the movement, which is signed “Ansonia Clock Co., Ansonia, Conn. U.S.A.” The case itself is unprepossessing and has some rather crude looking parts, particularly the door latch and the door hinge (at top). They appear to be original. Although not obvious from my picture, the top right slant of the door is darker than the rest. Perhaps replaced veneer. The clock is just under 10” tall at the peak of the door. Otherwise, the slant-top case, at the peak, is 9 ¼” tall. It is 6 7/8” wide at the base, its widest point.
The 30-hour round movement is working fairly well - so far - though it could do with a cleaning, etc. This is the second clock I’ve owned that contained this Ansonia movement. The first, a round top cabinet cottage clock, was previously posted here, where folks stumbled all over themselves to comment. Tran’s Ansonia book contains a picture of this movement that came from a small steeple (p. 440, fig. 1737). Since the movement in my clock mentions the factory location in Ansonia, CT, I date the clock to “ca. 1880.” The Ansonia factory was closed around 1883, though, of course, already completed movements would have been kept until used up. Neither this clock nor the round top cabinet cottage appears in Tran. Perhaps they were manufactured shortly after the Ansonia Brass and Copper Company was reorganized into the (second) Ansonia Clock Company.
Tran’s 2d ed. Of his book on Welch clocks shows a very similar moved marked “E.N. Welch M’f’g. Co.” The obvious difference that hits the eye is the escape wheel. The Welch movement has a solid EW (see p. 458, fig. 1440). A. Lee Smith discusses these round movements on page 724 of his article in the Dec. 1998 NAWCC Bulletin, “Cottage Timepieces and their Movements.” He mentions that the movement with the solid EW was used by the E.N. Mfg. Co., Welch, Spring & Co., and Jerome & Co. He also states that similar movements were used by Ansonia (4-spoke EW); H. J. Davis [sic-- he means Davies] (also 4 -spoke EW); in a case with an E&A Ingraham label (5-spoke EW); and the Canadian “Stinger” timepiece (6 spokes). I was unable to find anything about the Canadian “Stinger.”
As an additional comment, Smith’s article shows pictures of similar 8-day movements found in an Atkins cottage clock and a Welch, Spring & Co. cottage clock (p. 732).
Oooo...dat very nice!!This is an unmarked alarm cottage with original brass springs it has two labels ,one is how to operate the alarm and the other is the retailer I think ,j.j. Beals co.it is similar to some of S.B. terry clocks and also New England but it has a round plate movement.
Yes,when I get a chance to take the dial off at some point,the was a great article in the nawcc bulletin on this type of more nonstandard cottage clocks some years ago,as I remember there was one cottage clock in there that had a similar round movement ...see if you can find it in your library RM,if yo can not locate it ,I will locate it..Oooo...dat very nice!!
Any chance of getting a peak at the movement??
My usual go to and starting point reference for these cottage clock movements is Lee Davis' wonderful Bulletin article on cottage clock movements. Here's the link: http://www.nawcc.org/images/stories/1990/articles/1998/317/317_709a.pdfYes,when I get a chance to take the dial off at some point,the was a great article in the nawcc bulletin on this type of more nonstandard cottage clocks some years ago,as I remember there was one cottage clock in there that had a similar round movement ...see if you can find it in your library RM,if yo can not locate it ,I will locate it..
Rm I tried to access your link but I have not been a nawcc member for some years.the article I was referring to was by Lee smith in the December of 1998 nawcc bulletinMy usual go to and starting point reference for these cottage clock movements is Lee Davis' wonderful Bulletin article on cottage clock movements. Here's the link: http://www.nawcc.org/images/stories/1990/articles/1998/317/317_709a.pdf
Round plate cottage movements are shown therein.
Steven, I mailed you pics of all UCC-movements I know and you will see, the escape wheel bridge is completely different.Thanks, Albra. I appreciate your reply and would like to see your UCC movement pictures. If you wish to e-mail them to me, that would be fine. I honestly do not know what lies behind Lee Smith's statement. His article does not contain a picture of the case from which the movement came. I can only assume that there may have been markings on the case or a label that led to the identification as UCC. He shows only the front of the movement, but it is definitely the same one, including the alarm détente and the eigenartige escape wheel bridge.
Let me add that Smith specifically states that "the escape wheel bridge identifies the movement as being from the Union Clock Co. (also German, not to be confused with the Union Mfg., Co. of Bristol, Connecticut)."
Thanks, albra. I received the e-mail with pictures. BTW, I am not saying the Smith is necessarily right, simply stating what he says. How nice it would be to know the basis for his statement.
Steven, I congratulate you on the results of your research.To continue this exchange, while looking for something else, I stumbled across this earlier thread. The movement shown in the first post is the same as shown in my post above (# 127). Note that it is found in a clock bearing a Jerome & Co. label. Looking through Tran's New Haven book, I find what I believe is the same movement in a clock with a New Haven label (p. 301, fig 1190). See below. The peculiar shape of the EW bridge seems to be there in the picture in Tran, although the foot of the EW bridge is hidden behind the alarm disc. So, New Haven, it seems. I had actually forgotten about that particular movement, possibly because it is not so commonly found as other NH timepiece movements, some of which can be seen in this thread. But that does not explain why Lee Smith ascribed it to the Union Clock Co. Perhaps NH sold these movement to UCC?
albra: I cannot answer the question "when" with any certainty. I am tempted to place it in the 1870's to early 1880's, but that is as much a guess as anything else. Whatever the answer, I find the shape of the escape wheel bridge unlike those on the other New Haven movements I am familiar with. But I may be making too much of that.Steven, I congratulate you on the results of your research.
In order to decide whether New Haven comes in question as a supplier of this movement to UCC, it is crucial when your movement has been made. Can we answer this question?
Thanks RM I'm working on it but I've seen some of yours their very nice. I saw some nice minis on an auction site but with exchange rate etc. I'll be buried in them.Thanks to sylvester12 for reviving this nice thread with some nice examples from his collection.
For the sake of some coordination, I'm posting links to this recent thread about a pair of mini cottages: The most cheaply made clocks...
Here's some of pix of the subject clocks:
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They have lithographed paper dials applied to thin wood panels. They are attributed to S.C. Spring based upon the escapement bridge. There are links in that thread to Lee Smith's excellent Bulletin article about movements in cottage clocks.
Thanks.Thanks RM I'm working on it but I've seen some of yours their very nice. I saw some nice minis on an auction site but with exchange rate etc. I'll be buried in them.
The London Ontario Chapter of the National Association of Watch and Clock Collectors is having an Antique Clock and collectibles sale at Mount Brydges Legion 33 Veterans Ave., Mount Brydges, on June 3 so maybe I'll see some nice cottage clocks there or something else I like.