Many Different Hamilton 936 signatures

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  1. RON in PA

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    I thought these signature variations in two Hamilton 936 watches might be of interest to Hamilton collectors. #536442 from March, 1907 and #624353 from March, 1909, dates from the Finishing Records.
     

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    Re: Hamilton 936 signatures, two variations

    Ron,
    Thanks for the info. I was going to do a informational post on the 936, and may still do one, when time permits, because it was the first watch produced by Hamilton and over it's long run I believe there are 5 or 6 different signatures.

    If you have the time maybe you could do it?
     
  3. Marc

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    Ron,
    Thank you for the two pictures. It surely assists me in identifying this wonderfulll watch...the 936. Thus far I have only seen the two signature variants you demonstrated with the pics. The confusing or interesting part is that the damaskeening patterns are numerous.

    case and point: I am looking at the "Lasser's List" movement description with pictures and the Roy ehrhardt "Hamilton" book, and I can count or view at least four different damaskeening scheme.

    How many such schemes do you know about?

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    Jim,
    I would really appreciate a thread on the 936 with you leading it.
     
  4. terry hall

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    Re: Hamilton 936 signatures, two variations

    Ron,
    There are more :)

    How about with 'adjusted' on the main plate and no 936 marking on the BB?

    How about 'adjusted' on the main plate with 936 marking on the BB?


    How about 'adjusted 5 positions on the main plate and 936 marking on the BB?

    don't know if i can find examples here for pics...

    bet Jim has some :D
     
  5. RON in PA

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    Re: Hamilton 936 signatures, two variations

    I knew that there were more signatures, at least the early ones without the model number and 5 positions. Actually, even though I've been collecting Hamiltons for about 7 years, these two are the first I've seen and both within 3 months. Not rare, but compared to the 940 or 992 few in number.

    Does anyone else have 936 pictures they can post?
     
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    Re: Hamilton 936 signatures, two variations

    Here is a nice fairly early one that was finished on 9/13/1898

    I think you are going to find more variations than you think.
     

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    Re: Hamilton 936 signatures, two variations

    That's going to be the fun part Burt....
     
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    Re: Hamilton 936 signatures, two variations

    The 936 was manufactured from Hamilton's beginning (1893) to 1915 and wasn't sold out until 1927. That is a fairly long time span especially when you consider that regulations and trends during this time required marking railroad watches in updated and different ways. The 936 was made with two different regulators, in single roller and double roller, in motor barrel and going barrel configurations. When you consider marking jewel count, grade and other features this watch may have Hamiltons record for most variations.

    I agree with you completely Terry. This is going to be really fun to watch!
     
  9. Jim Haney

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    Ron, Burt, These are some early number for the 936 and a couple of renumbered ones.

    516 Renumbered 30516

    553

    789 Renumbered 30789

    The Ledger pages show that the renumbered ones are about 50-50 old stock to returns ratio.

    If a watch was returned for repair and resold or if it was getting old (2 years or so) they gave it a new number in the 30,000 range or in the 31000 range for 937's.They didn't have any serial numbers for these 30000 blocks reserved.

    There were approximately 224 renumbered watches
     

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    Please take this topic and go with it to collect the many different plate signatures or DMK patterns.

    I don't have any of the later ones.

    8557

    11262
     

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    While we are waiting.The cover of the Bulletin Vol.44/5 No.340,October 2002 illustrates Hamilton 936 watches #1,2 and 3.While the three examples are marked the same all appear to have different DMK patterns and #3 shows the early regulator.I know these watches were finished at different times but still are out of the first run.Who knows what they did over the next 32 runs!
    I'm still confident the 936 will hold the record for most variants in the Hamilton line.
     
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    Here's my work in progress 1909.

    IMG_3048-2-2.jpg

    Edit: Realized it's the same as Rons, sorry.
     
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    Why doesn't the second one in the first post have a split balance? Or maybe it's covered up?
     
  14. Kent

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    The balance is spinning and the camera speed was to slow for stop-action photography.
     
  15. Dano4734

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    Well so far I have 3 of the variations .. now to find the rest ... God I love the 936 that and the 940 and the 992B
    those really press my buttons for some reason
     
  16. Harvey Mintz

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    Well, OK then - I'll just contribute pix of this little 936 that I used to own:
     

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    Very nice Harvey!
     
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    Harv, that's a pretty nice 936 for sure. Happy Thanksgiving to you and the better half.
     
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    Re: Hamilton 936 signatures, two variations

    Yes these early and re-numbered examples are especially nice and interesting. I looked up the re-numbered ones and it appears about a three year gap(1894-1897) between finishing and final sales. My question would be, do you think this was because Hamilton was new to the market and had not yet established itself? I think the 18 size,17 jewel was still the king of the railroad market at this time?
     
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    Harvey what a beauty
     
  21. Dano4734

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    Re: Hamilton 936 signatures, two variations

    Here is one I just picked up that I am working on ... hope to have it living soon ... broken balance staff
    1.jpg
     

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