Maker ID on Vienna

[ironhat]

Here is a old Vienna picked up off FB in the last week or so. I have tried to ID by rummaging through the archives, but had no luck. Here is what I know....clock is 48” tall, 15” wide and 6” deep. The movement is key hole mount. Dial is 7.5” across. There is a 4 digit number stamp on to each of the plates and on the back side of the dial plate. However there is a five digit number on the mount for the movement.

The clock is shown as bought. The case needs minor repairs. I will mention in passing that in my looking for info to help identify this clock make, I found a clock listed on Ebay that had an almost identical case. The clock was a GR single weight clock. At a glance the only difference I saw in the two cases was the GR time only had a true top finial, where mine is cut to shape from a single piece of wood.

Clock keeps excellent time. I look forward to repairing and moving it in where it can be seen with other clocks. Any help appreciated.

 

[jmclaugh]

I suspect it isn't a GR but can't say who the maker is.

 

[ironhat]

I suspect it isn't a GR but can't say who the maker is.
Thanks for the reply. Clock was bought as working . I love this case style. I do agree that it is probably not a GR. Has many similar features, was just hoping that I could put a maker with the movement.

 

[Walt Wallgren]

I'm thinking it could be a Resch. Possibly from while the dad was still alive? I say this based on the keyhole mounting scheme, the relatively low S/N, the placement of the S/N, the shape of the beat adjuster, and the dial pan looks to be brass. None of this is conclusive just my 2 cents. With the number on the mounting bracket different from the numbers on the movement, I would say that this is probably a marriage.

 

[ironhat]

I'm thinking it could be a Resch. Possibly from while the dad was still alive? I say this based on the keyhole mounting scheme, the relatively low S/N, the placement of the S/N, the shape of the beat adjuster, and the dial pan looks to be brass. None of this is conclusive just my 2 cents. With the number on the mounting bracket different from the numbers on the movement, I would say that this is probably a marriage.

Thanks for the reply. The points you make that maybe it was an early GB is something I wondered about.

 

[Walt Wallgren]

I think you mean GR instead of GB.

 

[ironhat]

I think you mean GR instead of GB.

Stand corrected....thanks again.

 

[leeinv66]

This is an unmarked Resch movement. They made and sold many such unbranded movements. It cannot be a Becker as they didn't sell unbanded movements. At least, no one to date has been able to supply any evidence to show they did. As to the case, it is not uncommon to find the same case used by several German manufacturers. Many did not make the cases they used.

 

[new2clocks]

As to the case, it is not uncommon to find the same case used by several German manufacturers. Many did not make the cases they used.

Agreed. This is why identifying the maker of a clock by its case is not a very reliable method.

Regards.

 

[ironhat]

Agreed. This is why identifying the maker of a clock by its case is not a very reliable method.

Regards.

Thank you both for your info. Did GR mount the gong on mounting bracket and some on the movement?

 

[leeinv66]

The four post bayonet style movement mounts are normally associated with Austrian makers. I have two GR two weight movements here and they both have the gong mounted on the movement. I have not seen a GR two weight that has the gong mounted on the movement mount as this one has. However, that doesn't mean they don't exist.

A major manufacturer like GR would not have sold clocks that were not marked with their logo, so it is safe to assume your clock was most likely put together by someone who assembled clocks, rather than a major maker. Most unbranded Vienna regulators are impossible to attribute to a maker, so knowing who made the movement is probably the most information you will be able to ascertain about this clock.

 

[new2clocks]

This is an unmarked Resch movement.

A major manufacturer like GR would not have sold clocks that were not marked with their logo, so it is safe to assume your clock was most likely put together by someone who assembled clocks, rather than a major maker.

I am confused. Can you please explain?

Thanks and regards.

 

[ironhat]

I am confused. Can you please explain?

Thanks and regards.

I believe he is stating that GR would not have sold unsigned “clocks” ( properly stamped/numbered) but did sell movements unsigned to other manufacturers of clocks to be assembled??

Thanks to all who provided info and knowledge on this post.

Best Regards....Ironhat

 

[leeinv66]

These unbranded movement were manufactured by GR for the explicit purpose of wholesaling them as a component part to other persons or companies. The complete clocks GR manufactured to sell under their own name were always branded with one of their logos and had matching serial numbers on the dials, mounts, movements, etc as far as I am aware. Is that the clarification you were after?

 

[new2clocks]

Is that the clarification you were after?

I believe so.

As with most German companies, GR sold loose (unmarked) movements to the trade (cabinet makers, retailers, wholesalers, etc.).

Am I am interpreting your response correctly?

Regards.