Lubricating a clock with metal movement but wooden plates

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  1. kimgw

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    I have a postman's alarm clock that does not run.
    I have never worked on a clock with wooden plates.
    How do I lubricate the pivots?
    And if anyone knows anything about this clockmaker, I would be very interested! I'm intrigued by the little brass deer I found behind the face plate!
     
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    I just realized it has metal bushings, so I'm assuming that clock oil is used.
     
  3. roughbarked

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    Only enough to fill the metal bushings.
     
  4. R. Croswell

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    Metal pivots in metal pivot holes (or metal bushings) need oil but sparingly. Oil and wood are a bad combination. Metal pivots in wood pivot holes do not require oil. By the way, nice clock.

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    Indeed it is a nice clock.
     
  6. JTD

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    The little brass deer is very similar to the mark used by Tobias Bäuerle & Son, of St. Georgen (Germany) though it is usually facing the opposite way.

    Tobias Bäuerle did make clocks with wooden works; however, I have never seen a wooden works clock with a deer as the anchor plate, Bäuerle usually used a little brass fish.

    The deer on your clock looks a little crudely carved and also the fixings look as if they might be later. I wonder whether someone made a replica of the Bäuerle deer and put it on, for some reason.

    It is a little puzzling but others may know more.

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    Thanks for the input! I have it up and running, but I haven't figured out the alarm mechanism yet. Every time I hang the weight on the alarm chain the alarm sounds until the weight hits the floor! And that thing is LOUD!!!! 🙉
    And yes, this clock was a sweet find I got ridiculously cheap at a recent estate sale! 😀
    Just started working on clocks last week! Learning as I go!
     
  8. JTD

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    If you look at the instructions on how to set the 'alarum' on the label on your clock, you will find the answer to your continuous alarm question. The idea was to get you out of bed.........!

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    the "little brass deer" actualy is a hare (admittedly with big ears),so it´s Phillip Haas as far as I can see. Nice clock,congrats!
    Burkhard
     
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    Burkhard, I don't think I've ever seen a Phillip Haas hare with a little coronet on its neck (as Bäuerle's deer has) and the 'ears' on this one look more like antlers to me.

    But you may be right - it is at least pointing the right way!

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    I am with JTD, Burkhard: it is not the Haas hare.

    Aitor
     
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    In the June and July 2010 issues of Clocks Magazine, Doug Stevenson did a two part article titled "Something Old, Something New." The article discussed these Schotten type movements. In July part of the article, Doug shows several examples of Haas's Hakenblaettchen, a hare that was really quite different from what is shown on Kim's clock. Given the carvings in the "ears," I presume they are meant to represent antlers. I tend to agree that this is Tobias Bäuerle's Hirsch (deer). Alas, Doug did not show anything from a Bäuerle Schottenuhr.
     
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    #14 kimgw, Apr 11, 2017
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    Help needed with this alarm mechanism

    Moderator's note: You'll notice the title change at this point. Two threads were merged to keep things together. - shutterbug
    I have a Tobias Bäuerle alarm clock.
    I'm not sure how the alarm hand should be attached.
    Could someone advise as to how this should be?
    Pictures show how it is now. Currently, the alarm sounds no matter where the hands are.
    Thanks!
     
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    Re: Help needed with this alarm mechanism

    Can we see the actual alarm mechanism? The only thing that comes to mind right now is an electric/battery powered alarm, which seems unlikely for a clock that old.
     
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    #16 Randy Beckett, Apr 11, 2017
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    Re: Help needed with this alarm mechanism

    Looks like some form of sear/trigger mechanism to trigger the alarm. Will that top right lever move to catch behind the top end of the lever which wraps around the center shaft?

    Looks like you might have to set the alarm, then pull back the hammer to "cock" it before pulling up the weight. Or something like that.
     
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    Re: Help needed with this alarm mechanism

    Shutterbug, this clock seem to have got a number of different threads started. It is a wooden movement Bäuerle wall clock ('Postman's alarm' style) and if you look at the post headed 'lubricating a clock with metal movement but wooden plates', which was the original posting, you will see photos of the whole clock.

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    Re: Help needed with this alarm mechanism

    Thanks, JTD. That makes things difficult to work with, so I've merged the two threads into one.
     
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    Re: Help needed with this alarm mechanism

    It's a weight driven postman's alarm clock.
    I really think that the alarm hand is simply not on correctly, but I don't know how it should be. Here are some extra pics without having to take the case apart again. The case is put together with wooden pegs and tiny nails. View attachment 339798 View attachment 339799 View attachment 339800
     
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    Sorry! It was a different topic so I thought it needed a new thread. New to the forum! My apologies!
     
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    I stand corrected,Tobias Bäuerle indeed! Should sharpen my eyeglasses!
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    There are instructions for the alarm on the inside door. According to it, you turn the inner hand counterclockwise until it reaches the hour you want the alarm to sound. Then you hang a weight. When the clock strikes that hour, the alarm goes off. You have to remove the weight to make it stop or it will stop when the weight is on the floor of course! The problem is, when I hang the weight, the alarm goes off no matter where the time is. Thus, I think the alarm hand is not set up correctly to trigger the alarm.
    The wire that wraps around the shaft is connected to the alarm hand. The pics show it the way I found it when purchased. View attachment 339851 View attachment 339852 View attachment 339853
     
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    Re: Help needed with this alarm mechanism

    This is an unusual set up Kim and not one I have had any dealings with. But something with that steel wire contraption that is attached to the hour pipe doesn't look right. It looks like the tail of it should sit in the middle of that brass bracket. I believe that tail should interact with the other steel wire that hangs down to somehow trigger the alarm. Least, that is how it appears to me.
     
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    Re: Help needed with this alarm mechanism

    Do you know what the purpose of that wire, or spring, is that is anchored at the middle top and goes to the center shaft behind the hour gear?
     
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    Well, we can close the alarm topic!
    I figured it out! Hallelujah! 😀
    The alarm hand shaft has a notch in it. The hands arbor (terminology?) has a raised piece that slides into the notch when the hour hand lines up with the alarm hand. The long wire is a spring that pulls the alarm shaft toward the movement. The shaft is attached to an arm that sits in a slot blocking the alarm lever. When the shaft slides over the raised area, the alarm arm shifts and allows the alarm to ring! I'm so excited to have this clock working!!! 😀
    Thanks for everyone's tips!
    View attachment 339878 View attachment 339879
     
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    Re: Help needed with this alarm mechanism

    That's awesome! And thanks for those pics! I've been searching everywhere for a picture of the T. B. brass deer cutout! My clock has the engraving on the back of the wooden case and the brass cutout, but for some reason, the cutout is leaping to the right! So far, no one has seen one like this!
     
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    Hi,
    In fact I didn't remember I had that movement:whistle: It must be currently stored inside a cardboard box somewhere (I hope I wrote something on it...) No clue on why your stag is looking to the other side, but there are lots of variations on these BF clocks!
    Regards,

    Aitor
     
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    I really think that the only reason it's leaping to the right is that it simply wouldn't have fit the other way because of the way the alarm is set up! 😀
     
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    Surely it's just that. They had sets of cutouts looking right and left to suit different movements:clap:
    Yesterday, while I was answering to you, I thought for a moment: 'Well, if the stag on my movement would be looking right, maybe its back leg would interfere with the lever and coiled spring near...' then I dismissed the idea:cool:

    Aitor
     
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