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  1. Ethan Lipsig

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    Ladies pocket watches are not much discussed on this message board, yet some of them are high-grade, some have lovely cases, and some are outstanding in both respects. Please post photos of your most outstanding American ladies watches. (I will post a similar thread on the European pocket watch board for posting European ladies.)

    I have 47 ladies pocket watches in my collection -- about 12%. Most of my ladies watches are European, but all ten of my American ladies are high-grade watches cased in solid gold or platinum. If I had to choose a favorite, it would be this circa 1868 18k Elgin Frances Rubie.

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    Very nice!
     
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    That is a gorgeous F.R. Wow!

    I just recently found a few ladies watches that I love. Jerry T told me about the Lady Waltham over a year ago. This one being an export, I just had to add it to the collection. Sterling case by Alfred Bedford, 6s Lady Waltham, 16 jewels and adjusted.

    Nothing crazy special, but I love it.

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    #4 Tom McIntyre, Jan 20, 2020
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    I am sure this has been posted before, but I could not find the thread tonight. This is one of my favorite ladies.

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    I think this Waltham is my most outstanding American pendant watch. It has a diamond-accented platinum case. The 17-jewel, 9-ligne "Patrician" movement was a private label model for the case maker - H.W. Matalene. This unique piece was one of several featured in a 1913 full-page advertisement.
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    This is a modest South Bend 7j grade 100 from about 1911.

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    I was more intrigued by the case maker (J.R. Wood & Sons) than by the complete watch itself. The fullest account of Wood & Sons that I have found to date is on the following website:

    JR Wood & Sons- (New York, New York)

    Apparently they began making watch cases sometime after 1900 (looking for Elgin Pocket Watch info...please help), and in 1913 bought the factory of the defunct Pennsylvania Watch Case Co. (Pennsylvania Watch Case Co.).
     
  7. Ethan Lipsig

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    Lovely Walthams! I have several nice ladies Walthams, but for variety here is another Elgin ladies, a circa 1898 0-size 19-jewel Grade 201 hunter private labeled by Shreve & Co., in an 14k A.W.C.Co. hunter case. I understand Grade 201 and its open-face counterpart Grade 205 to be among the finest movements Elgin ever made in any size.

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    The ladies size watches are some of my favorites. I did carry an Elgin grade 201
    all day yesterday and it's still on my desk this morning maybe I'll wear it another day.
    They are quite nice(I posted it in the thread Sunday Hunting)

    I will start at the bottom of the totem pole with some of my favorite ladies watches.
    These are tiny 6/0 watches all in sterling silver. Sometimes called Nurses or Nun's watches.
    All have a sweep second hands. Elgin grade 647, Hamilton grade 748, and waltham grade 864.

    Not high grade, fairly easy to find, I like em, and they can all
    fit in one hand(and i do find them lovely and utilitarian).



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    I am 3rd owner of this Gruen 0 size custom order by actress Mae West. Made at Gruen custom shop in New York city. 1930s ? Was modified with an emerald birth stone when a gift to its owner I bought it from. I have authentic history. Swiss movement in USA Gruen made case. artbissell

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    very nice watch wtih a üersonal history, I love this. The movement is miuch earlier than 193ßs, actually it is from 1906. The case is also more or less a standard catalog case here is a picture of a very similar case from a 1907 Gruen catalog.
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    At this time the New York 5th ave shop has not yet veen opened as far as I know, so I guess the case was manufactured in Time Hill.

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    Slide26.JPG I need to spend some time organizing my ladies watches. When I found I needed to dispose of a significant part of my collections, I decided to keep essentially all the small and ladies watches since I love them quite a bit more than I would appreciated having the money. I think the Waltham OM model 00 size are the very best American movements in a ladies watch.

    I spoke with Rolland Fischer last week at our Chapter 8 meeting and he asked me to correct my spelling of his name which I managed to make two errors in spelling. I guess I will need to redo the presentation on the American Grade watches.

    They are difficult to find in an original case. The only one I have in the correct case has the case off of another example where the movement was rusted and damaged beyond reasonable repair.
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    #12 Dr. Jon, Jan 20, 2020
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    Here is one of my favorites

    See if you notice anything odd about this watch (Tom M not allowed)

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    Its case is an 18K Waltham signed case. Dial_sm_n.jpg Mvt_Jsm.jpg
     
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    Pretty watches, Tom and Jon.

    Jon, your pictures are so small that I find it hard to see enough detail to venture a guess as how your watch is odd unless it is because it is a 1-size Model 1882 erroneously listed in Waltham records as a 3-size or because it is one of the few of this grade to have a damascene, rather than frosty, finish. You co-authored an October 2007 Bulletin article on the subject, but I haven't looked at for more than a dozen years.

    Tom, your fondness for 00-size AWCO OMs inspired me to acquire one, but all I could ever find was a nice movement.

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    I sold it after a few years of vainly trying to find a case for it. I have given up trying to find a cased example. The closest I likely ever will get is this 14k 1-size frosty-finish Am'n Watch Co. Model 1882. This movement resembles OM movements. How closely related are they Tom?

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    #14 artbissell, Jan 20, 2020
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    Barney Green appreciate your info. about the Gruen. So may have been bought used as much diamond jewelry was. art b.

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    They came out smaller than I expected; but, yes it is a 1 size 1882 Am'n. I am using the CC version of p\Photoshop and had been using a much older version. The new version does a few things differently which I am still learning,
     
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    Dug out a 6 size Waltham, Seaside grade, model 1890, looks like a 7 jewel from 1900. It has diamond, ruby, and sapphire stones, and a 14K case.

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    #17 artbissell, Jan 20, 2020
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    Couple little ones .6s 17j and 0s 15j. Priscilla is daughter of Waltham employee. Both running although not wound. art b.

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    Below is a Waltham 0s 7j grade 160, my first ladies watch, previously discussed here: 0s Waltham. I won't belabor the points here but simply add it to the mix.

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    In looking again at the pictures, I was struck how the damascening at the center gear (pardon the technical jargon) seems to mimic the gear beneath the plate, up to a point, of course.

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    I seem to see something similar in Art's first picture above (Post # 17). Is this just a fig newton of my imagination?
     
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    One of my favorites...

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    With a Latin inscription reading "Death before dishonor," no less! A very traditional lady, for sure.
     
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    Ethan I did not read your initial description carefully
    RE, " your most outstanding American ladies watches"
    Sorry about my earlier post.

    Here are 3 Elgin 6 sizes that fit that description for me.



    Elgin 176 circa 1893
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    Grade 71 circa 1889

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    Grade 122 1892

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    Some might say the watch I posted earlier is not really a pocket watch, even if it is a ladies watch, so here is another favorite of mine. The case engraving creates an optical illusion, but it is really a normal proportioned case. The movement is an 0-size Riverside Maximus.
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    Ethan had it right about my 1 size 1882. I have two other damasceened examples. Anyone else have one?
     
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    I have been keeping track of known examples of this model/grade and have recorded six damaskeened movements, three of which are damaskeened over a frosted background. I have the only private-label example I know of (unfortunately lacking a case).
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    Reminded here of personal favorite 0 size Maximus with unusually fine case work... art b.

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    Dave C.'s posting of the Theo. Kohn Waltham reminded me of this one. It's from the same jeweler, and has a very nice Waltham 10L movement. References say "A" grade material but it looks like "P" to me, FWIW. The case has rather striking o_O repousse work that would certainly be loved by someone associated with wine-making. I wouldn't be surprised if that's who it was custom made for. Maybe Imogene was a vintner, or spouse of one? Or perhaps she was just known to love grapes?

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    Here are a couple of my favorite ladies watches!
    One is a finely cased Elgin grade 174. The case is really beautiful with the fleur de lis in diamonds! The next beautiful watch is a simply cased Waltham 10 ligne Maximus with a nice art nouveau dragon lapel pin.

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    Here are 4 more of some of the most beautiful American ladies watches ever made!!!!! A Waltham 1 size in a nice 18k gold case, a Waltham Maximus 0 size in 18k and 2 lovely 00 size Walthams!

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    Waltham "Diamond", with calendar and moonphase complications. Very ladylike. Keeps excellent time.
    I am considering replacing the grungy old strap with a single chain so it will fit nicely in a pocket and I can say it's a trench watch conversion.

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    I've posted this one previously - "Countess Janet".

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    And this one - "Cronometro Victoria" in 0s...

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    One more to add...

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    Wow, that's a sweet watch. And with Mae West provenance! It's really too bad that it isn't a calendar watch. If it was you could display it while playing Mae West singing "Day Tripper" in the background. :rolleyes: Seriously, I think I have my dad's Mae West LP from the sixties(?), and it has her singing the Beatles' classic on it. Of course she also sings a song called "Mae Day", so they weren't all "great" covers.o_O
     
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    To keep the thread going, here are photos of my circa 1905-1910 14k and enamel Bigelow Kennard PL Waltham. It has a 6/0 jewel series type movement on a par with the diamond or maximus grades, but it isn't designated as such.
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    Rockford also made a few.
    Shown is a 0s 17j Adjusted with no finger cutouts on the time train plate. In a Philadelphia Watch Case Co. case.

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    Here is a Rockford 0s Model 1 15J Winona with the typical cut fingered train plate in a 12s Rockford case. Note: the seconds hand was removed and dial fit to accommodate the open face case (I did not do this)

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    Here are a couple of Rockfords in their extremethin cases. Both 0s movements with the first being a model 1 (seconds hand absent) and second a model 2.

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    This is a Rockford 6s model 2 16j g150. I have many favorites, some are in pendant and wire lug wrist watch cases, but will leave it to these right now.

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    . Surprised and pleased to see Rockford made such fjne small movements. artbissell
     
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    This is mostly for Jerry. Here is damascene over frost not a private label Waltham 1 size 1882 Am'n grade.



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    This one is in a Waltham signed 14K case.
     
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    Another favorite American-made ladies watch in my collection is this Model 1865 Appleton Tracy keywind, in an 18k AWCO hunter case.

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    Ethan’s 10-size Waltham (post #41) is a nice example of the great case engraving on many of these early ladies’ watches. 10-size was almost the largest ladies’ watch but not quite. I believe the largest was this 12-size keywind Waltham from 1862-1865, a time when men’s watches were 20-size and 18-size and a few 16-size. The engraving was not quite as fancy, but the watch was a milestone as the largest ladies’ watch and the first 12-size watch. (We had to wait another 10 years for a man's 12-size model).
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    So much beatifull watches here :) Not much Soth Bend's, so I would like to fix that a bit. Grade 170, 6s, with quite uncommon dial:

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    No one has posted photos of a Riverside Maximus Model 1890. This is a scarce 6-size model. Only 200 hunters and 300 OFs were made.

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    When I bought my Model 1890, it was in the box shown in the photos, which I presume is original, but the movement had been re-cased in a gold-filled J.Boss case. I re-cased it in a 14k M.F. & Co. (Marshall Field & Co.?) multi-color case that came from a lower grade Model 1890.

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    Hamilton made some beauties too. My favorite is the 985.
    This is a zero size watch.

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  48. Ethan Lipsig

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    I know very little about Hampden watches. I only have one example in my collection, a pretty little 6-size Series I 15-jewel hunter in a 14k case.

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    Found another oddball.
    New York Standard Watch Co. 6s, 7j. Neat and unusual.

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    #50 Clint Geller, Mar 24, 2020
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    Ever the provenance man, here is my favorite ladies watch. It is not mine, mind you. It is in the American Civil War Museum (formerly, the Museum of the Confederacy) in Richmond, where it belongs. The watch belonged to Confederate Captain Sally Tompkins, who was the only commissioned female officer in either Civil War army, South or North. Tompkins ran a small hospital in Richmond, and when the CSA administration eventually decided that all hospitals for servicemen needed to be run by the military, Tompkins appealed directly to CSA President Jefferson Davis for permission to keep her hospital open. Davis was so impressed with Tompkins that he commissioned her as a CSA Army captain so she could carry on her work. Tompkins declined to draw a salary, but her rank allowed her to draw rations for the patients in her hospital. Her hospital, the Robertson Hospital, was stated to have had the lowest mortality rate of any hospital in the war. That’s probably because Tompkins was known to have been a stickler for cleanliness, even though the connection between infection and bacteria was not yet well established. Her patients fondly called her "Captain Sally," and she was a highly respected, even celebrated member of her community after the war, despite, or perhaps because of having exhausted her family inheritance caring for the wounded during the war.

    Unfortunately, the ACWM website contains very little information about Tompkins's watch itself, except that the cuvette of the gold, engine turned case is engraved with the motto, "Redeem Time,” and the movement is engraved “Harper/31216”.

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