$ Louis XVI mantel clock circa 1780

[Lockland]

Hi, it would be highly appreciated if you can share me your thought on the estimated value of this clock. It is signed by Causard a Paris and assumed made in circa 1780. However, I believe that it equips with a later movement. Thank you.

 

[zedric]

You are right that the movement is later. Fortunately French clock often sell based on artistic value. Are there any foundry marks on the case or castings that would identify the fournisseur? What country are you buying this in?

 

[Lockland]

You are right that the movement is later. Fortunately French clock often sell based on artistic value. Are there any foundry marks on the case or castings that would identify the fournisseur? What country are you buying this in?

Thank you, so you mean that the replaced movement will not significantly affect the overall value of the French clock? For the mark of the fournisser, I guess I will have to do it later as the clock is being sent for service so I only get it back on the next Monday. I bought it from an antique gallery in Rome

 

[JTD]

There seems to be something (perhaps a logo) in the little roundel that is partly hidden by the bell stand and the crutch. Can you tell us what is there (if anything)? The movement certainly isn't an 18th century one as far as I can see.

I am not an expert on French clocks, but I did a little research on Causard and it seems that Causard a Paris was not the way he usually signed his clocks. If you look on line you may see more on this matter.

JTD

 

[Lockland]

There seems to be something (perhaps a logo) in the little roundel that is partly hidden by the bell stand and the crutch. Can you tell us what is there (if anything)? The movement certainly isn't an 18th century one as far as I can see.

I am not an expert on French clocks, but I did a little research on Causard and it seems that Causard a Paris was not the way he usually signed his clocks. If you look on line you may see more on this matter.

JTD

That’s a medallion stamped on the back of clockwork. I will get a clearer picture of it once I bring it back next Monday. As for the name Causard, is it possible that it’s not the name of any individual but rather representing the Causard family that also includes Edmond Jean Causard?

 

[JTD]

That’s a medallion stamped on the back of clockwork. I will get a clearer picture of it once I bring it back next Monday. As for the name Causard, is it possible that it’s not the name of any individual but rather representing the Causard family that also includes Edmond Jean Causard?

Yes, it will be good to have clear picture of the little round mark, that may tell us who made the movment.

As for the signature, I don't know, your idea may be right.. Have a look on the internet and see what people say about Causard's signature.

JTD

 

[shutterbug]

The movement looks like it was switched out sometime between the two world wars perhaps.

Since you bought it from an antique gallery, they probably did their research, and the clock is more than likely worth what you paid for it.

 

[Kevin W.]

I would think French clocks do hold value and sell well. But with a movement switch, i think it could de value this clock.

 

[Lockland]

The movement looks like it was switched out sometime between the two world wars perhaps.

Since you bought it from an antique gallery, they probably did their research, and the clock is more than likely worth what you paid for it.

Yeah, I understand your point, but I want to know more about this clock, especially its origin, and I believe that will help me better appraise the value of my future clock

 

[Lockland]

I would think French clocks do hold value and sell well. But with a movement switch, i think it could de value this clock.

Do you have any estimation how much it will devalue from its original value?

 

[Kevin W.]

Sorry not sure how much it would devalue it.

 

[Lockland]

Sorry not sure how much it would devalue it.

Thanks

 

[Lockland]

I think I have found the answer. I did some research and found a very similar French clock dated around 1860 that has recently been auctioned on Ebay. Its side and backcase are very alike to mine, including the movement. At least now I have some confidence that my clock has been able to retain its originality

 

[Lockland]

I just managed to take some close up pictures of the medallion stamped on the clock work and it said “Medaille D’argent 1855”. Does it suggest that this clock was made during that time? Thanks

 

[JTD]

This is the logo of Vincenti & Cie. This medal was awarded to the company in 1855 and just means your clock could not have been made before that date. The company went on using the medal logo for many years.

Vincenti made good quality movements.

JTD

 

[Lockland]

This is the logo of Vincenti & Cie. This medal was awarded to the company in 1855 and just means your clock could not have been made before that date. The company went on using the medal logo for many years.

Vincenti made good quality movements.

JTD

Thanks. So this Vincenti company only made clock movement, am I right? That explains why there is no signature of Vicenti on the clock’s dial, but of another author?

 

[JTD]

Thanks. So this Vincenti company only made clock movement, am I right? That explains why there is no signature of Vicenti on the clock’s dial, but of another author?

Yes.

JTD

 

[Lockland]

Yes.

JTD

Thank you!

 

[Uhralt]

Thanks. So this Vincenti company only made clock movement, am I right? That explains why there is no signature of Vicenti on the clock’s dial, but of another author?

The signature on the dial is usually the name and location of the retailer.

Uhralt

 

[Lockland]

The signature on the dial is usually the name and location of the retailer.

Uhralt

Ohhh, I see. So the signature on the dial not necessarily comes from the clockmaker. That’s new to me. Thank you!

 

[Kevin W.]

I have a Vincettie and cie clock movement in my french crystal regulator. There is nothing on the dial. So i would say movement is original to the case.