Lord Elgin mismatch

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  1. pmwas

    pmwas Registered User

    Dec 12, 2010
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    Sosnowiec, Poland
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    I’ve got a Lord Elgin with clearly mismatched components inside.

    I bought it cheap, but there was no mvt photo. I assumed it was opened through glass and someone just couldn’t open it, but no, someone was just hiding the damage he made.

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    Both balance bearings missing.
    Fortunately, the Elgin Electronic spare parts I had were a perfect match.

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    I also had to replace the clutch lever spring which was also missing.

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    19 jewel mvt now working (but not serviced yet).

    Case:

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    And now trouble. The mvt is 19j, the dial says 23j.

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    Now as Elgins of the time were all factory finished - can you Elgin fanatics tell me if it’s a replaced dial or replaced movement?

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    Better pics...

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  2. Chris Radek

    Chris Radek Registered User
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    Apr 13, 2014
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    The dial looks original to me. I think this watch would have had a 713 originally.
     
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  3. pmwas

    pmwas Registered User

    Dec 12, 2010
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    That would be good. If the dial is fine, the watch has the correct looks. If it’s not, it’s just a frankenwatch ;)
     
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  4. Chris Radek

    Chris Radek Registered User
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    Yes I absolutely agree it's fine as-is. It's a nice looking watch. The last few jewels on those movements are really questionable anyway. I think this is one of them with a jewel for the minute wheel post.
     
  5. pmwas

    pmwas Registered User

    Dec 12, 2010
    2,030
    1,060
    113
    Sosnowiec, Poland
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    Looking through Elgin’s calibers, I think it used to be the 23j 718 (713 sub-second caliber was 21j).

    Anyway, now it is 714 and has to stay.

    Some pictures - just briefly, as it’s a pretty simple, but rather high quality movement and I’d like to show you...

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    All disassembled.
    The gear train:

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    The 3rd pinion is very reluctant to find it’s hole, that was tough...
    I had to press back in the center jewel as it was pressed out causing major endshake...

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    Dial side...

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    Nothing very special here - simple keyless works, very typical...

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    The balance bearing spring is a pain in the... neck - compared to Incabloc. Even worse than Soviet 3-arm spring, and that’s probably why the bearings were missing. Someone must have failed to put that back together. At least he did not break the pivots...

    Back to the top:

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    No more banking pins, fixed banking on this one - up to date, so to say...

    Winding gears and balance...

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    This has still a balance wheel with screws, flat hairspring. Modified regulator that prevents the hairspring to accidentally fall out from between it’s pins is so good, it’s actually difficult to work on it as well, as the hsirspring won’t come in or out easily.
    No taper pins for the hairspring, all fixed tight as marked in Elgin’s papers at the time.

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    The movement is ready.
    The dial has no screws. Took me a while to figure out, as I always thought it takes an idiot to simply pry the dial off the movement without unlocking it first, but there are just friction springs in the dial holes - friction fitted dial (!)

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    Elgin’s elegant cannon pinion with sealed top, so that you don’t see the center arbor in it.
    Very nice until the arbor breaks, then there is no easy way to remove the broken bit from the cannon pinion...

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    Brown strap and it’s done. Not yet adjusted, but running strong.

    Nice, elegant watch and in not-bad condition, too :)

    I got it for $20, so quite cheaply, but was surely lucky to have the missing parts, as it would get way more expensive otherwise...
     
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