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Welcome, and nice watch.
We can see it's a Waltham but a picture of the movement would tell the story you want to hear.
I would think it dates a little new than you think, maybe 1910-20, but as I said the serial number on the movement tells that approx. year.
The off color plastic crystal is need to be replace and is actually slowly destroying your watch hands due to a gas it releases. Replacement crystals are easy to find.
You used the serial number on the case. If I am reading the movement serial number correctly, your watch is the following.
Waltham Pocket Watch: Serial Number 5840467 (Grade No. 64)Serial lookups, info, specs, and value for American antique pocket watches covering manufacturers like Elgin, Illinois, Waltham, and Hamiltonpocketwatchdatabase.com
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Thanks for the correction.You used the serial number on the case. If I am reading the movement serial number correctly, your watch is the following.
Waltham Pocket Watch: Serial Number 23673146 (Grade No. 210) (pocketwatchdatabase.com)
Even though I do agree with 99.99% of what John said in reference to the OP's watch,it is not a desirable size
Hasn’t been serviced since I Acquired it many years ago and has been sitting in a box for idk how long. And is missing some mechanical parts. So no run, wind or setYes, that's a grade 210 any day of the week (not a model 1891.)
As for value - check the Sold Listings of ebay or whichever outlet you were considering disposing of it on, for similar watches. (As you can see it's a common watch - lots of them around.) This will give you an idea how much they usually change hands for. It's probably rather less than you were hoping for.
Has it been serviced recently? Does it run, wind, & set correctly?
Rob,Even though I do agree with 99.99% of what John said in reference to the OP's watch,
I only differ in that the 12 size is one of my favorite sizes(I do like all sizes)
and I do hope they are somewhat collectable in the future when
my family decides to liquidate them. . I may need to start a new
thread on some of the 12s grades(and 12s cases with smaller movements)
that I like to make sure they don't get forgotten
about by collectors.
To paraphrase Mr. Bumble:it is tough to say under any circumstance that the market likes this size.
Ethan,I, too, wondered about your comment, John, that the market doesn't like 12-size watches. People have been saying things like that for the nearly 20 years I've been collecting watches. I am sure there is some truth to it, but I'm not sure of its significance, and I don't know how to gauge its truth or significance.
John, I accepted your challenge to look at recent eBay sale prices for Hamilton 917s (which are 10-size watches, not 12-size) and 974s (16-size). Contrary to what you said, the sale + shipping price range of working YGF-cased 917s ($92 to $399) was higher than the sale + shipping price range of working YGF-cased 974s ($57 to $385).[F]or a relatively equal in quality 12 size watch relative to same quality 16 size watch the market shows a price difference. Let's just take a Hamilton 917 (12 size) to a Hamilton 974 (16 size). All you have to do is go to an NAWCC show or look on eBay to understand this.
I accept your concessionAnyway, I seem to have been quantitatively wrong so there you have it. I think I am still completely right about the OP's watch.
Thanks, and again, I think I was wrong about the 917 to 974 analogy but not in general about the market for 12 and smaller sized watches. We all know that the 917 is being used by several companies to make wrist watches so examples are being snapped up for that purpose. It was a bad analogy.I accept your concession
Ethan, I want you to know that I have, for a long time, though that going against the grain as a collector is the smart choice. When I built my first watch website in around 1998 or 9 the main focus was a section called "Collecting Illinois Watches Without Going Broke." It talked about avoiding the much loved 16s Bunn Specials and looking for high grade but less known or less appreciated by the market grades and variations. I have always been an advocate for finding gems that go unnoticed or look unpolished to the average collector. High grade 12 size watches fit this description very well. They have my respect and they find a place in my collection.My only point was that that information isn't especially helpful and some may view it as denigrating smaller pocket watches or their collectors, as I do.