Linden Quartz Chime Movement #7012 Clock

[Larry Orr]

I've read other posts about the futility of repair but I've been requested to try. One of the ladies in our ELK's lodge recently lost her mother and this was her clock and all the memories that go with it. Having said all that I've acquired another clock so I have 2 movements to piece together, maybe. I have one working motor and gear train. one working clock mechanism and associated parts. When I put all together I haven't been able to get them all to work. If anyone has a schematic or "successful" experience in repairing one of these I would appreciate some help. New movements of the same type are not available although I've found an alternative. I'd like to try the repair first before buying something else. Thanks, Larry

 

[bruce linde]

i think my new tags line is going to be something like "you (generic) may think you're a good enough writer to describe what's going on in one paragraph instead of just uploading a couple of informative photos… each one the equivalent of a thousand words… but you're not! "

No pictures means that we have to go look this up to see what you’re talking about.… at least, based on the title of your post.

and, your words confuse.. If it’s a quartz movement, what do you mean you have one working motor and gear train? a working clock mechanism? what do you mean ‘the futility of repair’? repair us what we do, every day.

If it is a quartz movement clock just go to timesavers and buy a new quartz movement.

If you’re trying to fit a mechanical movement into a clock case we would need to see close-ups of the dial, of the inside of the case, of the movement.

photos, pls. and more clarity, as well.

let’s see if we really can help.

 

[Larry Orr]

Having been duly chastised for my inept technical description and appreciating the fact that pictures could possibly help, check out the ones I have attached. I should of known better when I submitted this morning, but the lack of sleep and coffee compounded the situation 5 pics in all. If I need to disassemble for better clarity let me know. The first was my effort to take all "working" parts and assemble them.

 

[Willie X]

Repair is possible but replacement with a new quartz movement might be your only hope.

AFAIK, there is only one quartz/ mechanical strike movement available and it strikes once on the half and counts the hours, on two rods. It is a large clock (6 1/2" wide) and probably won't fit your case.

Electronic chimers by Rhythm and Seiko are pretty good.

Willie X

 

[shutterbug]

Yeah. Obsolescence is a sad fact and your friend might have to settle for the case to satisfy her memories, with a regular quartz movement in it. I'd say you have a 50/50 chance of getting one movement working out of two.

 

[Larry Orr]

Been a couple days working on this movement and I can recall a conversation some time ago about a cuckoo clock and you (shutterbug) providing me a reference for that clock. You told me to keep reading and the answer would avail itself. And supprisingly it did. This time you gave me a 50/50 chance of making this movement work and as I kept working the answer revealed itself. i had a slipping gear in the time chain (?) and once corrected had success in fixing this clock. Would post some pictues but would need to disassemble the working movement to make any sense of it all. Not only has this provided me great satisfaction but the clock owner is very greatful. I've been a hobbist for 25 years first working on pocket watches, wrist watches, then cuckoo clocks. Now mantel and grandfather clocks are comman place and I find it more gratefying everyday. Thanks all for your patience, advice and commradery. Larry

 

[Schatznut]

Congratulations on your success, Larry! Early quartz clocks are a whole different dimension to horology and can present interesting challenges. At least this one appears to not have the all-too-common corrosion from having a battery left in it for years and years.

 

[shutterbug]

That's quite an accomplishment! Electronics are not my forte, although if I were younger I would certainly educate myself more on how boards work!

 

[Kiggsia]

Been a couple days working on this movement and I can recall a conversation some time ago about a cuckoo clock and you (shutterbug) providing me a reference for that clock. You told me to keep reading and the answer would avail itself. And supprisingly it did. This time you gave me a 50/50 chance of making this movement work and as I kept working the answer revealed itself. i had a slipping gear in the time chain (?) and once corrected had success in fixing this clock. Would post some pictues but would need to disassemble the working movement to make any sense of it all. Not only has this provided me great satisfaction but the clock owner is very greatful. I've been a hobbist for 25 years first working on pocket watches, wrist watches, then cuckoo clocks. Now mantel and grandfather clocks are comman place and I find it more gratefying everyday. Thanks all for your patience, advice and commradery. Larry

Larry Orr, I have a quartz time & bim bam chime movement on order from ebay for clock repair I am doing. How do I get the movement started up and the chimes timed properly? I bought a Linden #7012 clock at a flea market and when I put a battery in it at the flea market it began chiming but I failed to make sure it was in synch with the clock. When I got home, it kept chiming and wouldn't stop even after 12 bim bams. So now I bought another #7012 from ebay and want to make sure I know how to start it up. Other than being sure I don't turn the hands backwards, how do I synch the chime and time properly?

 

[Willie X]

Kigg,

Re-read post #2.

Most likely, no one has a clue what a #7012 is.

Repair could be as easy as repositioning the hour hand but more likely you will need an instruction sheet that tells you how to sync the strike (or chime) after replacing the battery.

You know, stand on your left foot and blink both eyes three times while holding button A and button C down !!!

Bug's 50/50 chance of repair is good but he's kinda optimistic sometimes ...

Willie X

 

[Larry Orr]

Not sure I can help. The clock I worked on kept chiming until I turned it off. I ended up taking the movement apart and found a couple parts that had shifted from their pins, and one part that was worn out. I repaired the best I could put it back together and it ran for about a week. I also bought another clock with 7012 movement hoping it would take care of the problem. It didn't it was worn out just like the first one. I ended up changing the movement to a standard quartz movement. No chime but it keeps great time. Hope you have better luck. Larry

 

[Kiggsia]

Not sure I can help. The clock I worked on kept chiming until I turned it off. I ended up taking the movement apart and found a couple parts that had shifted from their pins, and one part that was worn out. I repaired the best I could put it back together and it ran for about a week. I also bought another clock with 7012 movement hoping it would take care of the problem. It didn't it was worn out just like the first one. I ended up changing the movement to a standard quartz movement. No chime but it keeps great time. Hope you have better luck. Larry

Larry Orr, I can see that you may have been in the same clock predicament i'm in. But what was faulty with the replacement 7012 clock you bought, the electronic clock movement part or the chime part, or both? If it were only the chime mechanism that was faulty, could you have just shut off the chime switch and just used the clock movement and not had to replace it with a standard quartz silent movement? I'm not wanting to sound like a wise guy, I'm just curious. These clock problems can get me baffled. I hope the seller that is to be shipping me another used Linden #7012 clock is honest & not playing with words. He says it "runs great!" Well, the word great doesn't always mean good, and noble, virtuous, etc. For example, a great flood wouldn't mean a wonderful thing, it would mean a lot of water. So I hope he wouldn't try to justify the use of the word great by saying he meant it runs with a great amount of chiming, as yours had done. I definitely want another chiming clock, I have no need for another silent clock. And the seller might say that the clock chimed fine before he had it shipped to me. But I shouldn't jump to conclusions, I should just not think any more about it until it arrives. And meanwhile, I did find startup instructions for the 7012, not as involved as other chiming clocks I have seen, like my Bulova Cranbrook quartz chime with Westminster, etc. through a speaker. That movement has to be preset to a fixed time of 5:50 then advanced to the correct time when the 3 batteries are installed. The directions for a 7012 just say to put in the battery, turn the time set knob to make the clock hands travel clockwise to the correct time. Thanks for your reply #11. Jeff Whicker, Toledo Ohio

 

[Kiggsia]

Kigg,

Re-read post #2.

Most likely, no one has a clue what a #7012 is.

Repair could be as easy as repositioning the hour hand but more likely you will need an instruction sheet that tells you how to sync the strike (or chime) after replacing the battery.

You know, stand on your left foot and blink both eyes three times while holding button A and button C down !!!

Bug's 50/50 chance of repair is good but he's kinda optimistic sometimes ...

Willie X

Willie X, thanks for your reply here. Yet repositioning the hour hand wouldn't have helped because no matter where I had turned the time knob, it would chime way past 12 bim bams until I either let it get tired of chiming & it stopped, or until I shut it off myself. And I don't remember any 12/24 hour switch but I believe it went past 24 bim bams also....And it was all so intermittent! Also, I did find an instruction sheet for the 7012, using a screenshot of a youtube video showing the opened back door of a 7012 with the sheet glued to it. It will be simple, after putting the D cell in, I will advance the clock hands clockwise to the current time.

 

[Willie X]

It's probably bad plastic part/s. It should never go past 12 strikes. There is something wrong with whatever stops the striking.

Trouble is ... often when the problem is discovered there is no practical way to repair (or replace) the broken/defective part.

Willie X

 

[Kiggsia]

It's probably bad plastic part/s. It should never go past 12 strikes. There is something wrong with whatever stops the striking.

Trouble is ... often when the problem is discovered there is no practical way to repair (or replace) the broken/defective part.

Willie X

I almost bought one of these on ebay instead of another used Linden 7012 but the Rythym is about $110 with tax & shipping. The Linden was less, about $76. But the Rythym is new, less chance that it wud b no good like the Linden might be....

 

[Willie X]

That's a big movement and probably won't fit your case. It's the only electro-mechanical quartz available AFAIK.
Willie X

 

[Kiggsia]

That's a big movement and probably won't fit your case. It's the only electro-mechanical quartz available AFAIK.
Willie X

One thing i can do to make it more likely to fit is remove the cast iron chime block. But you see, i am not replacing the movement in my Linden 7012. I gave the Linden to my Great Grandson with a silent quartz movement from Walmart to make his own clock face in the Windows Paint program. I plan to try to modify a movement to fot inside the Seth mantle clock you see in my user profile, it has more room. The #89 movement it had quit and even though i cleaned, oiled, releveled & carefully set the beat, I can't get the clock to run. So i am going to use a quartz mechanical chime movement instead. But i am going to remove the chime block & chime rods & have one of the chime hammers in a mechanical bim bam movement strike my Seth's original gong coil. I had done this with the mechanical bim bam movement from my Grandson's Linden but i broke something by accident on the inner chime rod gearing and thats why i am ordering another mechanical movement for the Seth.

 

[Kiggsia]

Repair is possible but replacement with a new quartz movement might be your only hope.

AFAIK, there is only one quartz/ mechanical strike movement available and it strikes once on the half and counts the hours, on two rods. It is a large clock (6 1/2" wide) and probably won't fit your case.

Electronic chimers by Rhythm and Seiko are pretty good.

Willie X

Willie X, i was forced to give up trying to replace or repair my Linden 7012 bim bam mechanism. I have now ordered two used mechanisms and the first one went bad after a short time, the second one never did work, and i havent been able to fix either. I contacted the seller of the 2nd faulty mechanism telling him it was a dud. He replied just once, asking me if i wanted a full refund. I replied to discuss this with him but he wont reply again. Another attempt to contact him got no reponse either. But i have given up trying to find a working used Linden 7012 bim bam mechanism & now have bought the new Rythym movement bim bam mechanism & it works as it should. Yes, being 6-1/2" wide, i had to chisel 1/8" out of one side of the current clock case i put it in, a small homemade looking wooden cabinet clock from a flea market. Because I didnt need to put it my Seth mantel clock, as i oiled the pivots in the #89 movement a bit more than i did a while back & the mechanism has been working steady for maybe a month now.

 

[Rod Schaffter]

I had a friend whose Seth Thomas electric with Westminster chimes had gone kaput with a seized spring in the chime train that busted an arbor. I replaced the movement with a Seiko quartz movement, and the chime and strike sound just like a mechanical clock; she was so happy. I had to drill some holes on the bottom of the case for the sound to come out of the speaker, which I affixed to the case with Aleene's Tacky Glue.

I don't know if Seiko makes a bam-bam movement, but here is the chime movement I used...

Seiko Quartz Clock Movement Dual Chime Westminster Whittington 11/16" Shaft | eBay

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[Kiggsia]

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I had a friend whose Seth Thomas electric with Westminster chimes had gone kaput with a seized spring in the chime train that busted an arbor. I replaced the movement with a Seiko quartz movement, and the chime and strike sound just like a mechanical clock; she was so happy. I had to drill some holes on the bottom of the case for the sound to come out of the speaker, which I affixed to the case with Aleene's Tacky Glue.

I don't know if Seiko makes a bam-bam movement, but here is the chime movement I used...

Seiko Quartz Clock Movement Dual Chime Westminster Whittington 11/16" Shaft | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Seiko Quartz Clock Movement Dual Chime Westminster Whittington 11/16" Shaft at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

The actual recorded sound chimes can sound so realistic, whether it be bim bam or westminster. But in the clock i showed in this thread, i only wanted 1 single ding, rather than bim bam, so i would know what hour it was at night in bed without my glasses. So i removed one of the strike rods & it's hammer. I wish this movement didn't also do the half hour strike, since i don't know whether it's half past an hour or 1am