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  1. s91five0

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  2. bruce linde

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    i don't know much about LFS clocks, but the first thing i would try is using the advanced search box in the upper right of this page and searching the site for LFS.

    or, you can use the power search / google method... just search google but specify this site, i.e.:

    LFS grandfather clock site:mb.nawcc.org

    i prefer the second method, and typically open each of the search results in a new tab or window so when i close them i still have the search results.

    nice looking clock, by the way...
     
  3. JTD

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    LFS stands for Lorenz Furtwängler Söhne, a well-known German clock maker in Furtwangen. The company had a long history, founded in 1836 and dissolved in 1936. They made good quality clocks but due to management problems and the decline in sales, they could not continue.

    You don't show us the LFS logo, but if you could post a photo of it, it would help to date the clock, as different styles of logo were registered at different times.

    The clock is quite attractive, at least to my eye, although I wonder a little about the top piece. Is it all one piece?

    Until we see the logo and can (maybe) date you clock more exactly, I would put it a the first quarter of 20th century and probably before WW1.

    JTD
     
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    Hello, yes it is one piece
     
  6. JTD

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    Well, it's really very hard to see, but I think this is the mark registered in either 1914 or 1919 (mikrolisk says 1914, the 'Lexikon der Deutschen Uhrenindustrie' says 1919). Maybe when you take the movement out of the case you can post a clearer photo and we might be able to be more definite.

    JTD
     
  7. Tatyana

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    Hi all!
    s91five0, I assume Your clock made circa 1900, a later movement produced after 1903 year. Number #3195 + patent 142125 (29 june 1903).
    BR, Tatyana
     
  8. JTD

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    Yes, this is the mark registered 1914 (or 1919, depending where you look!). But until we can see the back of the movement we don't know if the patent number is there, nor what the serial number is.

    JTD
     
  9. s91five0

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    The serial number is 20 and the gear with LFS. This clock was given to me and don't wanna mess with the movement. Here's one more pic. You can see the zero and in front of the zero is a 2. The LFS is in fancy lettering. View attachment 350267
     
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    Mine just has the LFS IN A GEAR CIRCLE and the serial number below says 20
     
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    Hello there, my back of the movement doesn't look like yours. It has the LFS logo and below that is the number 20.
     
  12. Tinker Dwight

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    You will need to do something about the gong laying on the movement.
    These clocks also needs periodic cleaning and oiling. Things like removing the pendulum and weights
    ( check which is heavier. They are often different ) and sliding the movement out
    can often save the cost of a house trip to remove and install the movement.
    It is a lovely clock but running and maintaining them is no a minor issue. As a minimum,
    you need to learn how to set the beat.
    I don't know how you dealt with moving but typically the weights and pendulum
    are removed. The chains secured and often the movement removed.
    There is often a pendulum leader that needs to be unattached to avoid damaging
    the suspension spring. This depends on if it is a one piece pendulum rod.
    These are all things you'd need to do to safely move the clock.
    These older movement are heavy and care must be taken if removing
    so they don't fall when loosened.
    Tinker Dwight
     
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    Hello there, that is a mirror there. Had to use it to take pic. So when you look at it the letters are backwards. Everything works great with this clock. I moved the clock here to my house with no problems, Took off the pendulum and weights. tied the chains together so they wouldn't come off. It was moved very carefully. I love this clock!!
     
  14. JTD

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    Sorry, this picture is no better than the others - still can't really see the logo. Both the marks have LFS in 'fancy lettering' inside a wheel, but it is the design of the wheel and the letters that tell us the date.

    I doubt if 20 is the serial number, although I suppose it could be. I've never seen an LFS serial that low, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be.

    Anyway, you will have to move the movement forward at some point, because as Tinker Dwight says, it is scrunched up against the gong and it will never go like that.

    It is a nice clock and well worth putting in order, so if you are nervous about doing anything to it yourself, try to find a reputable clock repairer and let him help you. If you can't find one (you don't mention where you are situated), then contact your local NAWCC chapter (there are instructions on how to find the various chapters at the head of the forum) and ask them. They will surely be able to advise you.

    JTD
     
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    Thanks so much for your input. I will try to get a better pic. Guess I have to get my hands dirty!! lolol, also it might not be the serial # but it does say 20 under the LFS symbol.
     
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    I saw movements LFS with low numbers 1 (grandfather clock) and 2 (wall clock).
    BR, Tatyana
     
  17. JTD

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    Well maybe they are serial numbers but I personally don't think so. Maybe model numbers, factory i/d? I don't know, it just doesn't feel right (and to have the first and second clocks seems to be a marvellous coincidence!)

    JTD
     
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    That's what my symbol looks like with the LFS just like the pic you have and right below that the #20.

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    I'm looking at it now to take the movement out.
     
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    Hi all!
    I'll add another similar clock with a low number of movement.
    BR, Tatyana
     
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    Hello there, yes my top is missing that piece. I wonder where I can get that piece. lolol, yea good luck!!! The LFS IS THE SAME SYMBOL, but my number is 20.
     
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    very nice!!
     
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    Well, I was cleaning the inside of the clock case and found this taped to the side. View attachment 350426
     
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    Lucky you are! Congrats!
     
  25. Tinker Dwight

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    It is possible that at its previous home, the ceiling was too low and
    the person had the good sense to save the final.
    Tinker Dwight
     
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    I know that when he moved he took off the weights and the pendulum, tied the chains together. So that final he must have taped it there, I was freaking out when feather took me about it and I know that he had all the parts for this clock. HOW DO YOU SPELL RELIEVE? FINAL!!!! LOL.
     
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    Just a quick question for ya, is that black enamel in the numbers? Just wanted to ask.
     
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    s91five0, this is not an answer to your question regarding black enamel. But just to give some more details: there are two instances of GF clocks from LFS Musterbuch of 189x that are very close to your masterpiece. What I would like to mention - coexintance of Roman and Arabic dials on the same year catalog.
    :
    View attachment 350515
     
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    Very cool, like I said I just received this clock because my dear friend just passed and his daughter give it to my wife and I. I just like the way that the black numbers look on mine because they look so presise!! I think I spelled that wrong. lol
     
  31. Tinker Dwight

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    If the numbers are recessed in cuts in the dial, they would
    have used black dial wax and not paint.
    Now for the wire piece.
    I can't see if the movement is a count wheel or a rack and snail to count the
    strikes.
    If it is a count wheel, one might attach such a wire to the count lever
    to step the count to match the hands.
    This isn't necessary for a rack and snail type.
    It might also have been used to keep the strike in warning
    at night as a silence lever.
    That is kind of what I think it is because of the proximity to that
    hook to the right.
    It is hard to see how it might be used but it might also just hook onto
    the strike hammer lever.
    Anyway, it is not a factory original part.
    I would remove the tape and hang it from the hook for now as
    that adhesive on the tape will harden over time and be
    hard to remove from the wood later.
    Tinker Dwight
     
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    Thank you very much!!
     
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    Do you happen to know what this clock might be worth? I have no idea..
     
  34. JTD

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    We are not allowed to talk abut values on this site.

    JTD
     
  35. bruce linde

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    actually, there is a what's it worth forum where such discussions are allowed… but it's the only such forum and I believe it might cost some money to inquire
     
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    My bad so sorry about that...

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    So sorry about that.
     
  37. Tatyana

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    Hi all!
    s91five0, I found a clock similar to yours with a sign 1895.
    BR, Tatyana
     
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    Hey there Tatyana how are ya. That clock is just like mine but it is missing the top piece. I also noticed that when I looked at the pictures of grandfather clocks I noticed my clock was one of those pic's. I wonder who posted my clock!!

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    Your third picture of the LFS symbol is just like mine but below that is the number 20. Thats all I know. lol
     
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    I wonder if my clock is dated the same. My friends daughter that gave us the clock said that it was made in the late 1800's. But that's all she knew. Its running like a charm. Talk to ya in a bit.. Peace out..
     
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    Hello JTD, I took a picture of the back of the movement. This was done with a mirror going up from behind the movement. The letters are backwards but you can see it pretty clear. I hope this helps you. View attachment 352988
     
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    Here is a pic I took of the back of the movement with a mirror up the back. The letters are backwards but you get it. lol View attachment 352998
     
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