Lewis Samuel

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  1. John Pavlik

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    We all try to draw conclusions as to time frame and features of the English Watch. I have attached 2 examples of a Lewis Samuel movements I have .... There is quite a difference in these movements and my reason to post to illustrate we usually should not jump to to many conclusions and assumptions... These movements are numbered 207 different .... one has a Massey II roller and the other a table roller... one is 43.5 mm the other 46.5 mm... Both have the Lewis Samuel name and 4 Lord St engraved... Appears that they were in a close proximity to the M.I. Tobias firm address... Comments are most appreciated ...

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    #2 Keith R..., Jun 13, 2019
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    I have one, 17J conventional train, in a Hallmarked 1832 Lewis Samuel case. The movement
    number and case number match. The watch was restored at Watch Repair NY,NY. This open
    face has a 53MM case diameter, with a replacement domed crystal.

    Nice examples John, I've seen them signed 100 ways from Sunday.

    Lewis Samuel #9571.

    Feature, 5 spoke balance wheel and Massey II.


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    #3 Keith R..., Jun 13, 2019
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    I have a movement that has several holes jeweled on the balance cock and a deer,
    which raised a few English eyebrows back in the day. If an MI Tobias, this would be
    the early 1830's. I just saw 2nd digit. Make it late 1820's.

    SN # 12608. It implies, jeweled to the center wheel.

    Note, movement also under sprung.

    Keith R...

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  4. John Matthews

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    John I rememeber #13972 which you posted here - John Pavik - Lewis Samuel

    That has the cap maker's mark 'WW' - does #13765 have a cap mark?

    From my limited knowledge of Lewis Samuel, I would say the movements signed with his name show a very wide range of styles and ornament. My tentative inference would be that they were sourced/finished by many different groups of workers and that making inferences solely based upon serial numbers would be even more risky than the norm.

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  5. John Pavlik

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    John, yes it does...

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    Hi Pl - thank-you for the photograph.

    Not too much of a surprise to see 'WW' - I'm sure you will remember this post Goldsmith & May, New York with the cap having both 'WW' & 'LS' It would appear that 'WW' was a frequent maker of caps for LS.



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    This example carrying the movement serial number in addition.

    John
     
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