Lenzkirch Wall Clock: Some information Please

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  1. Douglas Ballard

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    #1 Douglas Ballard, Sep 29, 2016
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    Another EBay find: Lenzkirk time piece wall clock with barrel spring and hidden pendulum. The movement is pinned and sets on a seatboard that slides into the case. Note the long threaded pins that hold the dial to the movement. The dial is metallic and in fairly good shape. I just took this apart and the movement needs to be disassembled and cleaned. There is a "trap door" on the bottom of the case that allows access to the pendulum. The pendulum itself is quite heavy and the suspension spring is slightly twisted and needs to be replaced. The verge is a dead beat.

    I would be interested in the knowing the model name and year of manufacture. Also curious about the case, it is painted brown and I'm not sure if it came that way or was painted by a previous owner. Serial number is "1 million" 278904, Lenzkirk logo stamped into the plate, the number 52 appears above the serial number as does the number 2.

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  2. Walt Wallgren

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    Re: Lenzkirk Wall Clock: Some information Please

    HI Douglas,

    Don't have a ton of info, but here is what I have. The model of the movement is 52. The meaning of the 2 is not totally clear. One of the most common theories is that it represents a second quality movement?? There are also movements marked 2Q thought to mean the same thing. The thing is that once these numbers appear, they remain for quite a while and it seems like there is a large block of S/N's similarly marked. That one is still up in the air as far as i know. The S/N indicates that the clock was make right about 1900-01 according to the best info i can find. The long screws to attach the movement to the dial, were common with Lenzkirch clocks. I have 2 that are quite a bit older that are attached the same way.

    Hope this helps,
    Walt
     
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    #3 Douglas Ballard, Sep 29, 2016
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    Thanks Walt, this is good information, appreciate it. What would make it a "second?"
     
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    That is one theory. I don't know if it is accurate or not. Like is said above, There is a big block of serial numbers with those indicators and no overlapping s/n's. I don't know why the would have said, OK, let'e make a bunch of second rate movements. The jury is still out on this one.

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    #5 Steven Thornberry, Sep 30, 2016
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    On the subject of second quality Lenzkirch movements, one could do worse than to begin by reading Doug Stevenson's article in the Feb, 2007 NAWCC Bulletin, titled "Springtime in Lenzkirch." Much good analysis and full of Doug's humorous, yet serious, scholarship. Forgot to add, pp. 41 ff discuss the 2Q movements, but the whole article is great reading.
     
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    Thank you Steven, I will give that a read . . .
     
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    #7 Douglas Ballard, Sep 30, 2016
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    From the article, I believe this sums it up:
    Quoting:
    After some discussion, he
    then concludes (page 32) that
    "the only theory that makes
    sense is a second assembly area.
    Therefore, it is my belief that
    not only was a second shift
    added, but also a second assem-
    bly area, most likely in another
    building. This was required to
    maintain production quotas."
    Therefore the 2 and 2Q would
    not be markings to indicate sec-
    ond-quality movements.

    And again, quoting:
    My point in 2003 was that this was clear and inde-
    pendent evidence that Lenzkirch, at least in 1893, was
    marking their movements to indicate second quality.
    The point here is that this evidence was apparently
    ignored or overlooked in speculating on other explana-
    tions.
     
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    But not from Doug's point of view, only Everett's.
     
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    Any idea if the case was original stained or was it painted as it is now? The paint looks took good to be 100+ years old.
     
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    Another hint:

    If you intend to learn more about the full range of Lenzkirch clocks , please take a glance on the websites of the URL www.lenzkirch-uhren.de .
    On these the possibility is given to register your clock in a database, where the clocks be arranged in sequence of the specific Lenzkirch number. Your clock ,stamped with 1 Mill 278904, is not registered so far.


    Dittrich
     
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    I visited the site you suggested, it is in German and I don't read German. :cool:

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    I have taken the movement apart for cleaning and inspection, all the parts are stamped with the number 2, wheels, plates, drum etc.
     
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    Hi Walt and Steven,

    For more information on the 2Q and 2 on Lenzkirch movements, see the article that I wrote and is published in the September/October 2014 Bulletin. Steve
     
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    Thanks for that, Steve. Here is a link to the article.
     
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    Tried opening the link Steven T. posted but is asks for a log in (already logged in) and when I "re-log in" it is at the home page.
     
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    Yes, the nawcc gremlins appear back. Just log in and search past issues.

    Well, forget that suggestion. That doesn't seem to be working either, at least for me. I may have to start collecting inkwells.
     
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    #16 Albra, Oct 6, 2016
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    Greatings all,

    I know the article of our great conductor Doug K. Stevenson and I appreciate his carefull studies very much. But since Doug's article we have some more insights in the develop of Lenzkirch. And today it seems to be obvious, that Lenzkirch about 1876/77 introduced separate serial numbers for their different movements.

    Please see this thread and the serial-number of this Lenzie-movement on page 2. https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?120166-Lenzkirch



    Therefore all yet dating tables of Lenzkirch-clocks seem not to be very realible. And also the Lenzkirch Clocks Collector Assosiation in Lenzkirch declared their yet dating list to no longer valid.


    But I hope new studies on the serial numbers of the various Lenzkirch movements and especially the Lenzie-alarms will give us a better idea of the dating of Lenzkich clocks. But in the meantime all present dating lists of Lenzies don't seem to be reliable.

    Best regards!

    Albra
     
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    Should be fixed now. Try again and it should work.
     

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