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I have just purchased this beauty S/N 4839 I estimate late 1904 to early 1905 in good clean working order unfortunately plate missing off the bottom of pendulum but pendulum correct for clock will need polishing up at some stage but not now.
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I have just purchased this beauty S/N 4839 I estimate late 1904 to early 1905 in good clean working order unfortunately plate missing off the bottom of pendulum but pendulum correct for clock will need polishing up at some stage but not now.
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So is this a Kienzle? Looks similar to some I have. Hubby wrote at one point that Kienzle started production in the latter part of 1907. Could be a Wurth clock...lots of similarities of the day. My Wurth with the same pendulum is 7379 and it was dated to around 1906, but mine doesn't have the DRP stamp.

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I am sure it’s a W.Wurth Kurt , if I recall correctly Keinzle were after Wurth not sure though they may have purchased Wurth , but then again I am not that up on who did what and when, I also have a spare Madusa pendulum.
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Sorry should have posted it in the Wurth section could a mod move it please.
 

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Nice find - a handsome addition to your collection!
 
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Are W.Wurth & Co clocks like busses, we wait for ages for one to turn up and 2 turn up, missing the crown and with standard disc , if anyone has a spare crown they are willing to part with please let me know.
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I spotted 4839 for sale several years ago. At that time it had extra lead weights glued to the bottom of the pendulum.

The crowns don't show up very often, but they're easy enough to make if you have a sample to copy.

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Jyst thinks he has a spare crown so that’s good, as for first clock 4839 I wasn’t the highest bidder but they didn’t pay up so I got a second chance offer and as it was only an hour away from me I thought why not and hence the two clocks ( because I didn’t win the first ) and I paid a hell of a lot less for the second one.
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Thanks Eric
I was thinking it my be the mounting holes.
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I'm not sure about the mounting holes, but in my experience a lot of crowns are hand fitted. I don't know if that applies to Wurth or Kienzle as I have not checked. The most obvious difference is Wurth crowns were polished enough to break all the sharp edges and Kienzle crowns were not. After that they have different curves and radii, different widths and heights, and different finials. The Wurth crowns have a notch on each end too.

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Wurth also used a special screw to secure the crown.
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Yes, there are small differences but you have to ask yourself a question; The clock will look better with the crown of Kienzle or without a crown. Unless you can do a replica.
 

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Eric -

Thanks for the image! I had to recheck my clocks and I think I've got them identified correctly. I used the notch on the ends of the crown to confirm.

Question...is there anything to be made about the crown extending out beyond the width of the plate? Seems that I have Würth clocks where the width is essentially the same as the plate but one is slightly wider than the plate. All my Kienzle crowns are slightly wider than the plate.

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Yes, there are small differences but you have to ask yourself a question; The clock will look better with the crown of Kienzle or without a crown. Unless you can do a replica.
Of course you can assemble any group of parts you desire to complete your clocks. Eventually you could end up with something like this:
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This thing was assembled of parts from six different clocks from at least three different makers. It looks fine from a distance, but I broke it up to complete several others.

My personal preferences are: original parts, authentic replacements from the same time and maker, authentic looking reproductions, or no parts. I try to help folks identify what the original parts would be.

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Eric -

Thanks for the image! I had to recheck my clocks and I think I've got them identified correctly. I used the notch on the ends of the crown to confirm.

Question...is there anything to be made about the crown extending out beyond the width of the plate? Seems that I have Würth clocks where the width is essentially the same as the plate but one is slightly wider than the plate. All my Kienzle crowns are slightly wider than the plate.

Kurt
Parts were made in batches and hand fitted so there is some variation. I have at least one (a JUF) where all the numbers match but the crown sits off to one side. Good quality control! After all, these are not fine watches.
 

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Of course you have to strive for the original.
If there is a possibility.
Of course you can assemble any group of parts you desire to complete your clocks. Eventually you could end up with something like this:
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This thing was assembled of parts from six different clocks from at least three different makers. It looks fine from a distance, but I broke it up to complete several others.

My personal preferences are: original parts, authentic replacements from the same time and maker, authentic looking reproductions, or no parts. I try to help folks identify what the original parts would be.

Eric
Of course you have to strive for the original.
If there is a possibility.
You have the option of making a replica of such a crown or you know where to buy the original one?
 
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I'm not sure about the mounting holes, but in my experience a lot of crowns are hand fitted. I don't know if that applies to Wurth or Kienzle as I have not checked. The most obvious difference is Wurth crowns were polished enough to break all the sharp edges and Kienzle crowns were not. After that they have different curves and radii, different widths and heights, and different finials. The Wurth crowns have a notch on each end too.

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Wurth also used a special screw to secure the crown.
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Thank for that Eric, I see what you mean now about needing the two side by side , looks like both were made using same tooling but the Wurth has had extra work and a notch in either end, would it be possible for you to measure a screw for me so I can make some replacements , as others have said it’s always best to keeping originality, I have even made a replacement screw for a bottom block just to keep the original block.
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Eric was nice enough to send me dimensions from one of his crown screws, the only thing where someone had drilled the old screws out on the front plate, one hole was to the side of the old screw stub I hadn’t noticed that so I had to plug hole and drill and tap another hole in the correct place on the plate, happy now.
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I ask out of curiosity, you know that Wurth used 2 other crowns. Of course, the posts were different too.
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I ask out of curiosity, you know that Wurth used 2 other crowns. Of course, the posts were different too.
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Thanks GRZESIEK
No I didn’t know do you have pictures?
I am not that up on who made what when any why , I know what I like, and apart from the clocks I do for other I only buy torsion clocks that are rare or unusual or if I like them for my collection.
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Thanks GRZESIEK
No I didn’t know do you have pictures?
I am not that up on who made what when any why , I know what I like, and apart from the clocks I do for other I only buy torsion clocks that are rare or unusual or if I like them for my collection.
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I have a photo

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I'm not sure I'd put these two clocks as having different crowns. Certainly they are different, but I think it goes with the whole design of the clock. The embellishments are called caryatids or harpys. John Hubby identified the five designs seen and on which clocks they had been found in this post.


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I know 4 such projects. For me, Acorn does not belong to this group - neither big nor small Unless there is some Acorn with an unusual crown and a post
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It’s not the Crown that’s different it’s the whole clock, GRZESIEK, I thought you were on about the standard clock, but thanks for posting.
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It’s not the Crown that’s different it’s the whole clock, GRZESIEK, I thought you were on about the standard clock, but thanks for posting.
Dell
These are also Wurth clocks. I showed other versions of this clock The same mechanism and one has the same pendulum. I wrote that Wurth used other crowns and posts
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