Lancelot a Paris

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  1. CZHACK

    CZHACK Registered User

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    I would appreciate any information on this maker (in particular a lookup in Tardys "Dictionnaire des Horlogers Francais"). Thanks. Mike
     
  2. CZHACK

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    .......or even confirmation Lancelot (or F. Lancelot) is not listed in Tardys would help. Thanks again. Mike
     
  3. RON in PA

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    CZHACK, I was in the NAWCC library yesterday and remembered your request for info on Lancelot a Paris. I found Dictionnaire Des Horologers Francais and there is a mention of him. The exact entry is "LANCELOT Francois. Paris. Ch. d'o.1684.".

    Hope that's what you need.

    Ron
     
  4. CZHACK

    CZHACK Registered User

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    Ron,

    Many thanks! Any idea what "Ch. d'o." means? I have numerous French pocket watches and clocks and am considering locating/purchasing Dictionnaires. Any comments on Dictionnaires as a reference?

    Thanks again and happy holidays.

    Mike
     
  5. RON in PA

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    Mike, In regard to Dictionnaire all I can say is most references listed are short one-liners similar to the one I quoted for you. As for as Ch. d'o, your guess is as good as mine, but I'll suggest that Ch. might have some reference to a district of Paris or perhaps to Switzerland. It's been at least 50 years since I had French in high school.
     
  6. jakraka

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    "Ch. d'o." means chef d'oeuvre which itself means masterpiece I believe.

    Happy holiday!

    Jan
     
  7. CZHACK

    CZHACK Registered User

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    Jan,

    Many thanks. Happy holidays!

    Mike
     
  8. Per G

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    AFAIK, an apprentice wanting to become a master craftsman had to submit a masterpiece for examination by his guild. If his work was approved, he could set up his own workshop.
    Ch. d'o.1684 would be the year when Mr. Lancelot graduated as a master watchmaker.

    Happy holidays all,
    Per
     
  9. CZHACK

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    Per,

    Thanks for the response and interesting information. Happy holidays!

    Does anyone know average ages of makers thru each stage (apprentice, master etc) in the late 1600s?

    Mike
     
  10. Per G

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    Hi Mike,

    Apprentices were contracted to the master for, I think, around seven years starting the apprenticeship at around 13-14 years of age.
    On completing the contract, they were expected to spend some years as journeymen moving from town to town to gain experience by working in different workshops along the way.
    Most never got so far as master craftsmen because beside having the masterpiece approved by the guild, a good sum of money was needed to set up a workshop.
    Looking at medieval records, a common thing was for a master craftsman's widow to remarry a journeyman or a young master that could continue to run the old workshop.

    Per
     
  11. CZHACK

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    Per,

    Thanks for the informative message. I recently acquired a circa 1690 one-handed oignon watch by this maker and the information from you/others has been a help.

    Mike
     

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