Lady's Face on Top of the clock

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  1. suparchw

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    Dear all,
    I am wondering about this and keeping in my mind for a while. Do you know who is she? Any info. is welcome. Thank you in advance.
     

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  2. JTD

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    She isn't anyone in particular as far as I know. She appears on lots of clocks - I think she is just a generic decorative head.

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  3. shutterbug

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    I remember another discussion about who it might represent, but can't locate it right now. Try searching the forum.
     
  4. JTD

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    I remember that thread also, but I couldn't find it. But I think it came to the same conclusion as what I posted. But as always, I may be wrong.

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  5. MartinM

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    I don't remember any talks about ladies. There were a couple of discussions about men. Try a search for "green man".
     
  6. suparchw

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    Thank you so much everyone. I got some idea from "Similar Threads" below as you guys mentioned. ^_^
     
  7. Albra

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    Yes, I agree this is not a specific person, but the head of a pretty girl as decoration.

    These heads are made of pressed material, and the factories bought them from different suppliers.

    The suppliers usually have protected such trim parts by a utility model, and no other supplier should copy the design.
    I just saw at my Clocks, but my clocks all have the same head of this pretty girl. But I suppose there will be some more different but similar girls heads on clocks of this time.

    Best Regards!

    Albra
     
  8. Eckytock

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    Opinion on this forum says she is "Medusa" or a Medusan like figure. Search this forum but do not stare for too long.
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  9. Albra

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    Greetings Eckytock

    I know some collectors say this woman's head is intended to represent Medusa . But this is really a mistake. Please read the story of Medusa on wikipedia.

    The severed head of Medusa is really not a pleasant sight on clocks.

    Best Regards!

    Albra
     
  10. tarant

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    #10 tarant, Jun 10, 2016
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    But this happens... I don't know why. Maybe it's analogy with the passing time, turnig everyone into the stone.

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  11. Albra

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    #11 Albra, Jun 10, 2016
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    Tarant, you're right. Of course there are pictures of Medusa on clocks and other items.

    Medusa in art but but has unique features: Snake-like hairs, suffering facial expression and usually an open, wailing mouth.

    The figures of these heads on clocks about 1900 but in my opinion don't have the characterisic features of Medusa: The mouth is closed, the hair is maintained and the face looks cheerful. I recognize in these ornamental heads not Medusa, but a well-kept, beautiful lady.

    But I have no problem if you do not share my opinion.

    Best Regards!

    Albra
     
  12. harold bain

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    If the image was meant to be Medusa, the hair would have recognizable snakes in it, IMHO.
     
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    I agree, I'm sure Medusa would never allow herself to be seen in public without a proper snake-do.

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  14. Dick C

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    There are many clocks with this figure on it that are referenced as "Jenny Lind" clocks. Look at Images on your favorite search engine.

    Here is a Wiki reference to Jenny Lind:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_Lind
     
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    I have seen the same many times. While it's entirely plausible, I wonder, has anyone seen any old clock or furniture catalogs / advertising material that refer to her by name rather than a style? Also, I wonder if there is any evidence of her receiving royalties for the use of her likeness, if they even did that during her time.
     
  16. Albra

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    #16 Albra, Jun 11, 2016
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    Greetings Tom,

    a wonderful comment, Tom. I had a good laugh about it! Thank you!

    @ Dick C.: Thank you for your reference to Jenny Lind. This person is not known in Germany. And since this is a trim on German clocks, I can not imagine that the lady may have any reference to Jenny Lind. But thank you!

    Here better images of "our" Lady.

    P1060902.JPG P1060903.JPG

    One might think she has a diadem on her head and long and valuable earrings. She gives me the impression she is a young princess or noblewoman.

    Thanks to all who participated in this interesting discussion! :clap:

    Best Regrards!

    Albra
     
  17. leeinv66

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    Just to throw my two cents into the ring, I believe the lady in question shares similarities with the Greek goddess Athena.

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  18. Dick C

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    Interesting as it appears that she sang in Deutschland and also lived there?
     
  19. scottmiami

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    Yes, it appears she was well loved both in Europe & the U.S.

    Apparently PT Barnum promoted her to rock star status, and brought her to the states for touring.

    Google books has quite a bit on her:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=puoDAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Memoir+of+Jenny+Lind&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnhZOapqDNAhUlxYMKHYWuDFEQ6AEILDAA

    https://books.google.com/books?id=8NvY1_v_rYwC&pg=PA114&dq=jenny+lind+pose+for+daguerreotype&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjn1dOGp6DNAhVJ34MKHRYqD5QQ6AEIKDAA#v:^nepage&q=jenny%20lind%20pose%20for%20daguerreotype&f=false
     
  20. gleber

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    Is any of this related to a figurehead on a ship's bow, which is often female?

    I'm amazed at the research efforts people put into this hobby and share with others on the forum. I have a long way to go to contribute even a tiny fraction of the info.

    No disrespect intended, but what do we know about the ubiquitous lion's head on mantle clocks? Just a generic lion?
     
  21. leeinv66

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    While there are (or were unfortunately for some) several species of lion, I would guess they modeled the lion's head on clocks on the biggest of them. And, the species that most people would have encountered as they were the favoured choice of Zoos and Circuses. That would have been the Barbary or Atlas lion. I might add, this is pure speculation. No research what so ever conducted ;)
     
  22. scottmiami

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    I have done no research on it, but I would think that well predates Jenny Lind. But it raises another interesting question. Does anyone know when this figure first started appearing on clocks or other furniture?


    You & me both. And with my memory, I'm lucky to remember what I just looked up yesterday. Or 5 minutes ago for that matter. :D
     

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