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  1. PapaLouies

    PapaLouies Registered User
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    Ladies Bubble Back.
    Gold with Stainless Steel Back.
    Ref. 5002, Serial Number 660,419.
    Question, is it 14K or 18K?
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    Regards, PL
     
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  2. roughbarked

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    Stainless steel back usually indicates rolled gold case.
     
  3. PapaLouies

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    I think it's unlikely Rolex would put an Oyster perpetual automatic, super precision movement in a rolled gold case.
    Any information on the Ref. 5002 would help.
    Regards, PL
     
  4. PapaLouies

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    Correction, the movement is not automatic.
     
  5. captainscarlet

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    Hi papaLouies, help us to help you. Could you add more pics? The 5002 came in many different case configurations. However if the case is solid gold, I would expect the back to be gold too (as roughbarked has said)It is also confusing when you state that the watch is not automatic, when the dial says it is. I am of the understanding that the word ‘perpetual’ indicates an auto movement. So if you could post pics of the inside caseback, movement, between lugs dial etc you may get a definitive answer to your question.
     
  6. roughbarked

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    I don’t think this is 100% sure for earlier watches. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t say ‚never ever’ too often ;)

    If it has a steel back, it has - almost for certain - a plated case. So either it is fake, or ‚8.’ is not exactly true ;)
     
  8. roughbarked

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    Well whichever is true, The only gold Rolexes I have ever seen have been solid gold with gold backs.
    Not being a historical archive of all the facts, it is likely that I don't know them all but as far as my limited knowlege goes, that is the story. Unless someone can enlighten me.

    I have seen people put stainless steel crowns on gold rolexes but have yet to see someone put a steel back on. Though there is always a first time for everything.
     
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    Steel back... possibly plated case... non automatic ‚perpetual’... I’m no Rolex expert, because high end Swiss watches are not ‚my cup of tea’, but that is a tad too much... pictures of the movement could be relevant, I suppose...
     
  10. PapaLouies

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    Thanks for the response.
    It will not run when shanking it but will run when winding so I presume it may not be automatic although the Oscillating Weight may not be functioning properly.
    At next months Chapter meeting a friend will bring the tool to open the back and then I can take photos and post.
    Regards, PL
     
  11. roughbarked

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    Remarks
    1931-
    first automatic with rotor winding
    Breguet hairspring
    detached manual wind (Fig.6)

    family/generations:
    600: manual wind, sub second, 9.75'''
    620: automatic, sub second
    630: automatic, sweep second
    635: automatic, sub second, Shock-Resist
    645: automatic, sweep second, Shock-Resist

    Example, year: signature; shock device
    1945: N13077, Rolex Perpetual Chronometer, Swiss Made, Patented, Super-Balance, Vis Tirette *** Patented *** Trigger Screw - ROW, Rolex Geneva, Swiss, Adjusted to 7 Positions, 17 Jewels - 8174, Rolex, Patented, Size-N-A
    (Rolex 630, sweep second)
     
  12. Jeff Hess

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    One of the great fallacies of Rolex. Sorry, but Rolex made hundreds of thousands if not million of Rolled Gold, Gold filled, gold clad and gold plated watches. Even made watches with faux paste gemstones in them.

    The 4002 is typically automatic. Can we see the movement? With steel back, as noted above, the case is "likely" heavy gold filled.

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  13. roughbarked

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    There you go.
    I've seen lots of Tudors that were gold plated. I suppose it is down to which demographic they were made for.
     
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    Looking at used Rolex for sale or sold in Australia. Don't see any rolled gold watches in there. So I'm presuming that cheaper Rolexes sold in Australia were actually Rolex Tudors. At a rough guess, gold plated Rolexes were sold in other countries but not in Australia, at least to my limited knowledge.

    PRE-OWNED ROLEX watches by Nicholas Hacko, watch dealer Sydney, Australia

    https://www.kalmarantiques.com.au/product-category/sold-items/sold-rolex-watches-sold-items/ .. pages and pages of them.
     
  15. PapaLouies

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    This is a caliber 420 and it my understanding that the basic movement is 18 jewels. The winding mechanism is jeweled which appears to be the exception.
    All the 420s I've seen on the net are not jeweled. I wonder if the winding mechanism is jeweled top and bottom. I think the case is 10K gold filled.
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    Regards, PL
     
  16. PapaLouies

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    Well I guess no one has a definitive answer.
    Regards, PL
     
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    Hi papa, unfortunately you are not going to be getting a definitive answer from me about this watch. If I wasn’t so busy, I might have had the time to look into it further. I do have a couple of hunches though. First off is the case back. I’m not sure it is original to the watch. Perhaps the original wore out/got damaged and was replaced with a cheaper option. Or it had a ‘no longer wanted’ dedication engraved on it. Rolex did make watches with 10ct gold cases so maybe you could have it tested. There appears to be a screw missing from the rotor. Perhaps that is the culprit stopping the rotor from functioning correctly.
     
  18. roughbarked

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    Yes a screw loose can grind the works to a halt.

    The shop closing down has me rummaging through old stuff. Found this Tudor Oyster in there. Might give it a cleanup.

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