Kienzle clock

Andy100

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Hello,
my name is Andy (59) and I come from Germany. This is my first post. I collect and repair 400-day clocks for some years. I am very happy that I have found this group. I have read nearly all themes of this group :)
During this years I have bought a lot of parts at horolovar incl. the Repair-Guide.

I want to show my new clock of my collection - a kienzle. I have bought it defektiv. It runs only a few minutes. I did everything that was possibe to do for me. Cleaning with ultrasonic, new spring, adjusting the escapement etc... at last the problem was the mainspring. I opened the barrel of the mainspring and took the mainspring with my springwinder which I have built last year. I put grease to the spring and that was the solution - many many evenings with adjusting ...
I thought that the mainspring would be okay because when I turned the spring for 2 turns and put off the anchor, the wheels were running very good so I thought the power of the spring was okay - but it was not.
Now the clock runs very good since 1 week with 360 degree. I am very happy :) and the time is very accurate. 1min per week.

My question is concerning the age of the clock. The clock has the Serial-No. 126047. This Number is on the backplate and on the back of the discpendulum.
Pherhaps someone knows the history of this clock and the date of production. It would be very interrest for me. I like this clock very much :)

I will send some pictures I have made.

Many greetings from Germany

Andy

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Welcome to the message board, Andy! I'm sure you have a very nice collection of clocks. Glad you were able to revive this one.

Maybe someone can help with this mystery. I notice that your clock is #90 in the repair guide, page 41. It shows it as a JUF or Jahresurhrenfabrik, plate 1504A. But when you look at that plate, it's not the same at all. The JUF has the ratchet, click, etc., on the back plate but for your clock it is on the front plate. I have a Kienzle with number 126761 that I think is in the 1912/1913 range....mine is plate 1435 but with "made in Germany" stamped above the number. So, it seems unusual that for two clocks with about the same number, they would have different stamped back plates.

I look forward to more details on the clock.

Kurt
 
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Andy100

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Welcome to the message board, Andy! I'm sure you have a very nice collection of clocks. Glad you were able to revive this one.

Maybe someone can help with this mystery. I notice that your clock is #90 in the repair guide, page 41. It shows it as a JUF or Jahresurhrenfabrik, plate 1504A. But when you look at that plate, it's not the same at all. The JUF has the ratchet, click, etc., on the back plate but for your clock it is on the front plate. I have a Kienzle with number 126761 that I think is in the 1912/1913 range....mine is plate 1435 but with "made in Germany" stamped above the number. So, it seems unusual that for two clocks with about the same number, they would have different stamped back plates.

I look forward to more details on the clock.

Kurt
Hello Kurt, thank you for answering :)
Yes I saw this in the repairguide and thought at first that this clock will be an JUF,
but when I compared the backplate with Kinzle so I think it could be a kienzle.
for example plate 1383 page 125, or plate 1431 page 135 or plate1435 page 135.
"made in Germany" is missing on the plate. But the rest seems to be the same.

Many greetings
Andy

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What about plate 1601 or more like 1602...that has the number stamp closer to yours? Are there unthreaded holes next to the ones that hold the suspension guard? From past posting, there had a tubular guard like yours which seems correct with the suspension support like you have, but there were two "ring" guards for clocks with a double gimbal suspension support. See this thread for more discussion:

https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/please-help-to-date-this-kienzle-plate-1435.138078

Kurt
 
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Andy100

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What about plate 1601 or more like 1602...that has the number stamp closer to yours? Are there unthreaded holes next to the ones that hold the suspension guard? From past posting, there had a tubular guard like yours which seems correct with the suspension support like you have, but there were two "ring" guards for clocks with a double gimbal suspension support. See this thread for more discussion:

https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/please-help-to-date-this-kienzle-plate-1435.138078

Kurt
Plate 1601 and 1602 have only two wholes for the suspension guard. May clock has 4 wholes for the guard - 2 are not used , like for example 1431/1435. I will send a picture without guard.

Andy

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Andy -

I should have mentioned that I have edited my repair guide for 1601/1602. John Hubby posted that these two plates should have unthreaded holes to the left of the two threaded ones. I think this is to allow the plate to be used with either of the suspension guards and suspension spring support per the builder of the clock. The builder would purchase the movement from Kienzle and then build out the clock per their design. Here is one post that I could find from John:

Curious as to manufacturer | NAWCC Forums

And another:

A C Becken | NAWCC Forums

Kurt
 
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Although I know nothing of its age, what a beautiful clock you have, Andy. As you found out, mainsprings in these clocks must be clean and properly lubed or they can't power the clock enough to keep it running. I currently have a midget Koma that is testing my patience. Glad that you got yours going.
 
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Andy100

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Andy -

I should have mentioned that I have edited my repair guide for 1601/1602. John Hubby posted that these two plates should have unthreaded holes to the left of the two threaded ones. I think this is to allow the plate to be used with either of the suspension guards and suspension spring support per the builder of the clock. The builder would purchase the movement from Kienzle and then build out the clock per their design. Here is one post that I could find from John:

Curious as to manufacturer | NAWCC Forums

And another:

A C Becken | NAWCC Forums

Kurt
Thank you for this additional information, the serialnumber of 1601 (126531) is very close to the number of my Kienzle ( 126047 )
 

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I think the presence or absence of a "Made in Germany" stamp on Kienzle clocks has more to do with the market the clock was sold in rather than the serial number. My records have clocks with and without the stamps intermixed by serial number.

Eric
 

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