Key wind pocket watch skeleton movement

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  1. Blitzblack

    Blitzblack New Member

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    I need help to id this watch, I have been searching and searching to try to find anything I can about this watch. Beautiful guilt skeleton movement of a hunting dog and nature, in a silver case. The movement of the dial is held in place with small tapered pins.
    Movement winds, and ticks for a few seconds, needs hands, crystal.
    Dial is near mint with no cracks, case is in very good condition and without much to any wear.
    Hands look to measure 1.65 and 0.55mm, and the key square is 1.25mm flat to flat.
    Marks inside the back of the case R by itself and a H5 in a oval.
    On the dust cover is Ancrel, Aiguilles, and 15 Rubis.
    On the inside of the dust cover is LT in a small rectangle.
    Case number 24851
    Any information and or value as is or restored would be fantastic.
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  2. JTD

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    Re: Key wing pocket watch skeleton movement

    Welcome to the board.

    Your watch looks very pretty with the chamois and the edelweiss engraved on the plates.

    I am not a watch expert, but those will be along soon, I am sure. In the meantime I can tell you that:

    the word on the back is not Ancrel, but Ancre, the curly bit that looks like an L is just for fancy. Ancre refers to the type of movement the watch has.

    Aiguilles means 'hands' and shows you which arbor is to turn the hands. The arbor with the arrow is to wind the watch and the arrow shows the direction to turn the key.

    15 rubis refers to the jewelled bearings.

    Others will be able to tell you much more about the watch and the case, but we are not allowed to give values on this board (see the rules and regulations for posting).

    JTD

    PS I expect you meant to write Key Wind, not Wing, at the top of the post?
     
  3. Blitzblack

    Blitzblack New Member

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    Thank you JTD.
    Yes I did mean to type WIND.
    Sorry about asking for a value, I was just wondering if it has any, or is rare at all. Or if the cost of restore/repair would be greater then the finished value.
    Thanks again
    Rich
     
  4. novicetimekeeper

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    Re: Key wing pocket watch skeleton movement

    Is this work done later usually, like carving clock cases?

    I ask because it looks like the cocks are gilded, but the carved and pierced plate is just brass.
     
  5. Blitzblack

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    Re: Key wing pocket watch skeleton movement

    It maybe the light or reflection as everything is gilded, including the gear (barrel) below the winding key. All other gears I can see are brass.
    I'm very curious about a date, on this piece.
    Thanks
     
  6. gmorse

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    Re: Key wing pocket watch skeleton movement

    Hi Blitzblack,

    The examples I've seen have been skeletonised and engraved after the basic movement, (the 'ebauche'), was made, and not apparently as part of the initial manufacturing process. I suppose your watch dates from around the middle of the 19th century. The movement is a typical Swiss lever of the period, and in its original state would be known as a 'half-plate'.

    Regards,

    Graham
     
  7. Blitzblack

    Blitzblack New Member

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    Has anyone seen examples like this, or is this a an oddity or rare. I have seen one very very similar, different scene but looked to be of the same handy work. But this was about 10+ years ago and it was a pic on the web of someone asking the same questions as myself.
    Any links to similar ones would be cool.
    Cheers, thanks for the help and information so far.
    Rich
     
  8. Omexa

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    Hi Rich, I have seen lots of this type of engraved movement over the years. Regards Ray
     
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