Key wind, Key set Swiss help

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  1. Tim Fitzgerald

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    I am trying to find information on this Swiss 33.6mm key wind key set movement . It has a serial number #3617
    it has no dial or case and runs very well. The only other writing on the movement is " fast or slow ' on the balance cock. Can anyone help?
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  2. jess tauber

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    This is a Jules Jurgenson STYLE movement. A number of makers used them for their own products.

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    Thanks Jess, I am an American P/W collector & am lost with Swiss movements. Do you know what size this is If I wanted to case it in and get a dial?
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    You might want to check out this chart for case sizes: Pocket Watch Sizes & Measurement Chart: 18s, 16s, 12s | Pocket Watch Database

    Just remember that when this movement was produced (likely before machine-tools became commonplace), adherence to standard sizes was more hit or miss than reliable, so finishers had to fit the case to the movement. With luck you'll find something that works (not too tight or too loose). Your case will still have to be adjusted for the pin on the edge of the movement to help keep it from rotating in the case, and getting the key holes lined up is another issue. The time-setting arbor isn't a problem being in the center, but the winding arbor may not be where it needs to be. Some folks had mismatched cases 'repaired' (filling the unused hole and putting a fresh one in the right place). Good luck!

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    Thanks again Jess!
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  6. Keith R...

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    These ebauches are a typical better grade of 15J watches for various retailers Tim.

    One of mine from 1855.

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    #8 Keith R..., Oct 26, 2019
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    I recall about 6 variations on this setup. Cleaned and timed, they are accurate pieces.
    You might have to find an unsigned dial. Hunters mostly and 15J.

    This one about 16 size.

    Threw in a Russian.

    Good luck Tim.

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    Dials are another thing- the dial feet (the small pins on the back side of the dial) may not be in the same alignment as their holes on the movement, either in terms of radius from the center of the dial versus the movement, or their orientation on the movement, so that the seconds subdial aligns with the hole in the movement. Its easier probably to get a repair person to remove existing pins and then replace them with ones that do align.

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  10. Les harland

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    No one has mentioned that Fast and Slow mean that the watch was made for the English speaking market
    Normally Swiss movements are marked Advance and Retard French for fast and slow
    British and European watches are a different world to American ones
    Then there are Hall Marks to understand
     
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    I've never seen Avance spelled Advance, which is the English cognate. Did anyone actually do this?

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    That is a good point Jess
    I will have to look more closely at my watches
     
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