Just inherited this beauty....Schatz clock

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  1. Cathy R

    Cathy R Registered User

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    Just inherited this beauty. Needs to be fixed and new glass cover. What does “no (0) Jewels unadjusted” mean? Also, I assume it was made April 1955. Where can I find information on these clocks?

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  2. roughbarked

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    Some moderator will be along to move it to the 400 day clock thread, maybe. Full image of the back plate will help those who have the book. You already can see that it is a Schatz 49. The dial suggests the art deco era. 0 jewels means what it says and so too does unadjusted. This makes it a standard type that hasn't been refined further. Most were not jewelled or adjusted.
     
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    Yes, I'll move this to the 400 day forum for better exposure.

    By the way, the 49 on the back plate is the model number for your clock.
     
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    Thanks
     
  5. Harry Hopkins

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    Hi and welcome to the message board. You have inherited a nice clock and it appears to be in very good condition. You can get a general overview of these types of clocks on This Wikipedia Page. For specific questions just ask and someone on this board will try to answer your questions. I cannot tell from your pictures if the suspension spring (the small wire that the pendulum hangs on) and it's fittings are all there. If it is all intact it is quite possible the clock will run if set level and ensured that it is wound. First If there is any sort of locking device holding the pendulum secure it will need to be released so it is free to turn. The clock should be leveled by adjusting the 3 leveling feet so the bottom of the pendulum is centered over the cup and not touching anything. Then the pendulum should be turned about 180 degrees in either direction and let go. Give it a try and good luck!
     
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    The pendulum is free moving. I do not have a key to wound up the clock. I think it has been sitting for years.
    Here are few more photos.

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    Hi Cathy,

    You have a good quality Schatz clock. Yes, April 1955 was the manufacture date. The "no (0) Jewels unadjusted" stamp is a disclaimer. Fine watches use many ruby bearings (jewels) on the rotating shafts. Schatz 400 day clocks had either 0 or two jewels. This was probably a Customs requirement. Unadjusted is there because the user has to setup and adjust the clock to keep time, not the seller.

    Here is some catalog information:

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    Yours will probably need cleaned and serviced, especially the mainspring, but it should give you years of service afterward.

    Eric
     
  8. Burkhard Rasch

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    Hi,and a wellcome from me,too! I´m afraid Your clock won´t be running now as it seems that the suspension spring guard -that brass tube around that thin wire the pendulum hangs on- has come lose from its fixing skrews. If You take a loupe You´ll see through the outer holes of that tube two corresponding holes on the oposite side,keyhole in shape,corresponding with the little skrews in the back plate of the movement left free.The task is to move the tube with its keyhole holes over these skrews and then upwards so that the skrews lock in the keyholes,then tighten the skrews without bending or kinking the suspension wire.It´s a bit challenging,but doable.Good luck,and wellcome again!
    Burkhard
     
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    Eric -

    RE: the catalog pages...it says that "All" Schatz clocks are fitted with leveling screws. That must be a time-dated feature, right? One member was gathering info on when such features appeared. Clearly not all Schatz clocks have these screws. And the picture doesn't even show leveling screws!

    Also, what does "unbreakable" glass dome mean? If it's glass, it's breakable. Does that mean that they began supplying plastic domes? I have a number of clocks with plastic domes...I thought they were merely replacements.

    Thanks...Kurt
     
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    Cathy, To wind your clock you will need a #8 clock key. When buying replacement keys for these I prefer 'wide wing keys' such as ones found Here and Here. You can also find clock keys on eBay.
     
  11. shutterbug

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    Welcome, Cathy! Here's the "go to" book for identifying, understanding and repairing 400 day clocks. You can get one from most clock part suppliers.
     
  12. etmb61

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    Kurt,

    From about 1954 they had leveling feet and plastic domes. They obviously updated the text and not the pictures.

    Eric
     
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    You have sharp eyes Burkhard.. I had to zoom in to see the guard wasn't attached correctly.
     
  14. roughbarked

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    Same here.
     
  15. Cathy R

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    I figured out how to hook the tube to the back! How would I go about locating a person to clean my clock and make any adjustments? Are these complicated to work on?
     
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    Cathy -

    Where are you located in Florida? There might be a local NAWCC chapter near you. If you have interest in doing this work yourself, then I would highly suggest hooking up with people in your area. Be aware, as others have said, this can be a slippery slope!

    Depending on your interest level and toughness of your forehead (wall banging may be involved), it's possible to do the work yourself. The way I started was getting hold of the Terwilliger 400-Day repair guide and Joe Rabushka's repair and restore guide. That was a good start for me, but what really helped was a local chapter member taking the time over a day to help me work on my first clock...well, I mostly just handed over tools! But it was extremely helpful to see the process. Now after a couple of years, some of that head banging, more tools, and a spring winder I feel much more competent...not by any means a skilled tradesman, but doing OK. My success rate early on was marginal and was frustrating, but I found encouragement here on the forum. I also bought more tools!! Still lots to learn, though.

    So, if you're not really ready to dive in yourself, knowing where you are might help find someone to talk to...if not to help you get started, then to give you ideas of good clock shops that might be willing to take your clock in for service.

    Kurt
     
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    Cathy, Here is a list of all the NAWCC chapters in Florida. I believe if you click on a name in your area you will be able to email and ask for advice on best place to get service for your clock. As far as how complicated these are to work on... I guess it depends on who you ask. There are some clockmakers who will not work on these clocks as they consider them finicky or difficult. I assure you that with proper repair and instructions on how to set the clock up you will have a clock that will be reliable. Your Schatz clock is a well made and strong running clock when properly cleaned, oiled and set up.

    As Kurt said above.. if you have desire to do this yourself it is possible and he has given you excellent resources to learn what is necessary but a person that only has interest in getting a single family heirloom to run might not want to invest the time (and headache) of learning. The problem with taking your clock to a repair shop is that it will almost certainly cost more than the actual value of the clock itself.

    As I mentioned before your clock may be fine and run as it is now. You are going to need a #8 key anyway so maybe get a key to ensure it is wound then try to set the clock up yourself and see if it will go. You will find lots of help here when and if you want to try that.
     
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    Good afternoon, all!

    I seem to remember being told that both "(0) Jewels" AND "unadjusted" were placed on movements to avoid higher import duties. As such, both stamps are a good indication the goods were produced specifically for export rather than domestic sale.

    Best regards!

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  19. Cathy R

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    Well.....it seems I am closer to chapter 98 in Florida. I live in Punta Gorda, FL. However when I click on chapter 98 no information comes up like the other chapters.

    I wonder if the expense of repair was more than the value! But to me it is priceless......it was something my father had......I never knew him. I just found him last year and he is deceased.
     
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    Thank you! I am assuming my father purchased this clock while stationed in Germany. The date on the clock was 4/55 and I was born the following month in Germany.....I never knew my father because he return to the US. I just located my father ( he died in 1967) and my fathers family gave this to me. So for me this clock is priceless....running or not. I am really interested in the history of Schatz clocks.
     
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    It's always nice to have a great story behind the clock. I appreciate why it is so valuable to you. I am not a historian for Schatz (or really any clock) but I am sure you can find some historical info online. I don't have an answer why no contact info shows up for your local chapter but possibly someone on this board will be familiar with that chapter.
     
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    Harry, evidently Chapter 98 doesn't have their own website, and the contact there isn'l linked so that says their email isn't immediately available. I've asked Pam Lindenburger in Columbia to let me know of any contact from that chapter, I'll post here when I get it but that will only be on Monday as our HQ office is closed for the weekend.

    Cathy, your interest in finding out more about your father's clock is much appreciated, and we should be able to find a contact for you nearby. If you have the time you might surf through this forum for any thread with the name "Schatz" in the title. While most of them will be about some type of service or repair there are threads that have historical information as well.
     
  23. Tim Orr

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    Good evening, Cathy!

    It's worth noting, too, that the word "Schatz," in German (pronounced more or less like "shots"), means "Treasure."

    Best regards!

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    Cathy -

    It's really not that difficult to overhaul one of these clocks. I have the same clock. So, start with the clock as is. Make it look like this. Then reverse the process. Hmmm...I might have left out a few steps! :chuckling: Seriously, I hope John can find someone near to you that can help with the clock and really turn it into something special.

    Kurt

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    Cathy,
    Of course, a good cleaning would benefit it, but given the "young" age of your clock, II feel relatively confident that if you wind it and look through the threads to learn how to set it in beat, you could have it running.
     

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