Joyce 8" drop dial gallery clock for LMS railway

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This is a very unusual little clock. A gallery clock because it is wound and set from the back, which is unusual for an 8" and a drop dial. The backbox only has access through a back door with a lock, though the surround can be removed by removing the pegs. No bottom or side doors. Case and surround are oak. The curve bottom cut from a single piece.

The bezel has no lock, but is secured shut with two screws.

The movement is chain not gut. It has a number on the front plate 318, which is also stamped on the back of the dial.

The case has a brass plate bearing LMS 9827.

The National Railway Museum at York keeps records from the various railway companies. LMS records are not as complete as Southern but not bad, and fortunately this one does have a record. The card shows it was at Llangollen railway station until the mid 70s when it was scrapped, which just means sold off. It was replaced with a quartz clock.

I have asked Llangollen historical socierty if they have any pictures of the clock in situ. It was, presumably, somewhere accessible to the public with the rear access from an office, so perhaps in the ticket hall.

I have written to Smiths, who own Joyce, to see if they have any records.

It would be interesting to know if there were others made like this.

I have wanted a Joyce for a while, I thought it would be nice as it is my Mum's first name. I have bid on one or two but been outbid.

This one came up the week my Mum died of Covid so I went for it. The chap who is the expert on railway clocks says he knew of the clock from a long time ago, probably when it first came on the market, but he has never seen another like it.

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Whitchurch is a town in Shropshire close to the Welsh border. I assume that is where Joyce was located? Nice clock with an interesting history. Please let us know if you get more info from the Llangollen History Society.

I assume the small dial on the back enabled them to adjust the clock without having to remove the front, not seen that before.

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Yes, Joyce were in Whitchurch until 2012, they were absorbed by Smiths of Derby.

The building where this was made is now an auction house, sadly Smiths have replied saying that they do not have records for the smaller clocks, only the turret clocks.


The rear set and wind is why I called it a gallery clock, but it is far too small to mount on a gallery, it is a very unusual clock for the combination of being a small drop dial and also being rear wind and set. Gallery clocks are usually bigger and not drop dial.
 

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This is a very unusual little clock. A gallery clock because it is wound and set from the back, which is unusual for an 8" and a drop dial. The backbox only has access through a back door with a lock, though the surround can be removed by removing the pegs. No bottom or side doors. Case and surround are oak. The curve bottom cut from a single piece.

The bezel has no lock, but is secured shut with two screws.

The movement is chain not gut. It has a number on the front plate 318, which is also stamped on the back of the dial.

The case has a brass plate bearing LMS 9827.

The National Railway Museum at York keeps records from the various railway companies. LMS records are not as complete as Southern but not bad, and fortunately this one does have a record. The card shows it was at Llangollen railway station until the mid 70s when it was scrapped, which just means sold off. It was replaced with a quartz clock.

I have asked Llangollen historical socierty if they have any pictures of the clock in situ. It was, presumably, somewhere accessible to the public with the rear access from an office, so perhaps in the ticket hall.

I have written to Smiths, who own Joyce, to see if they have any records.

It would be interesting to know if there were others made like this.

I have wanted a Joyce for a while, I thought it would be nice as it is my Mum's first name. I have bid on one or two but been outbid.

This one came up the week my Mum died of Covid so I went for it. The chap who is the expert on railway clocks says he knew of the clock from a long time ago, probably when it first came on the market, but he has never seen another like it.

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Gosh.

My condolences on the loss of your mother!

RM
 
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That is a cool little clock. I have never seen one like it, it looks very well taken care of, hard to believe that it is so small. Please post a pic of it in situ if they can find one, that would be fun to see. Sorry to hear of your mom's passing, that is a life changing event. Hopefully this clock will be a reminder of better times.

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It turned up today, I already have a space for it so hopefully put it up tomorrow. Your clock turned up today too.
 

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Now on the wall. has a retaining screw missing for the hour hand so can't set it to the same time as the others. One sub 8" missing from this wall hopefully finished soon. I blame Bruce Linde he said I could get more on here.

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The historical trust that looks after Llangollen railway station has been going through their archive of photographs but sadly they have not found a shot that includes the clock so we can't know yet how it was used. I'm hoping they will eventually find something.
 

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