Jaeger le Coultre P469/A....is this a military grade piece ?

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  1. PJQL

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    #1 PJQL, Jul 4, 2014
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    Hi all,

    I currently have my eyes on the item subject of the photographs.
    As far as I can make out, it is probably 1940s era.
    I have only been able to find two or three identical wathes online....one being marketed as a German military watch...although that one bears no military marks !

    Bearing in mind the known difficulties in dating JLC watches via serial numbers...does the calibre number P 469/A pertain to a particular decade ?

    Any help would be appreciated,

    Piers
     

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  2. gatorcpa

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    Not sure what you mean by a "military grade piece"? To my knowledge, there were no movement calibers made by JLC specifically (or exclusively) for military use. They did sell certain designs of watches to governments (mostly UK, Australia and the USA) specifically for military use. These generally had some kind of marking denoting that they were government property. For example:

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    Your watch has none of these markings. I would say that while it is from the WWII era, it was a civilian piece made in a military style.

    Hope this helps,
    gatorcpa
     
  3. PJQL

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    Hi..., thanks for the input.
    I'm aware that JLC were amongst many who supplied to the military, with the appropriate government marks thereon.
    I have found plain unmarked example like the one I have seen,
    marketed as military pieces. I wondered if it was definitively always the case that they were marked....whatever country used them.

    Piers
     
  4. G_Z

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    Marketing is one thing - reality one other !

    Almost every seller plays the 'military card' when it comes to black dialed luminous watches.

    Regards
    Gerald
     
  5. PJQL

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    True story Gerald !

    Having said that....why would JLC et al even bother with radium/luminous dials if not for military use or issue ?
     
  6. Hawk53

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    Based on what I've read across the "boards", following the wars there was intense "national pride" so the watch company's seized the patriotism energy and did military themed watches. Also to consider, most military issued watches issued by whatever branch of service had to be returned prior to discharge, and a lot of service personnel were used to their watch, so buying something similar was a no brainier, so almost every manufacturer was pumping them out by the thousands, if not millions.
     
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    Because civilians like to read time in the dark, too!

    In addition, many watches of this style were purchased by or gifted to soldiers.

    Hope this helps,
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    Thanks my friend.....input appreciated !

    Now...where's the torch.....
     
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    differences uncertain between 449, 452, 463, 469, 479
    options: Breguet hairspring*, separate escape-wheel cock*, shock protection**
    (* scarcely or never, ** often or always)
    Assignment troubles:
    Flume lists 3 balance staffs assigned to calibres, Ronda lists 4 staffs for all calibres, LeCoultre data sheets mention no differences.
    Calibres specified in data sheet with shock protection are occasionally met without.
    Calibres specified in data sheet with optional shock protection are never met without.

    family/generations:
    449, 452, 463, 469, 479: sub second
    450, 468, 470, 478: sweep second
    451, 464, 484: sub second, calendar
    488: sweep second, hack feature
    494: sub second, calendar, moon phase

    Example, year: signature; shock device
    1938: 301499, Jaeger-LeCoultre

    from bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: LeCoultre 469
     

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