Jacques I think

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  1. Steve Newquist

    Steve Newquist New Member

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    Hello members, as a noob I have little to no knowledge of fine Grandfather clocks . What I do know is, I have a beautiful (almost 8ft) 13 tube beauty. It has been in my family for 3 generations. Originally purchased by my Great Grandfather around 1915.
    Trying to find the REAL maker of the clock, and I'm sure you pros can help.
    I say jaques because, that is the maker that most (looks)matches my clock.
    The name that it shows is California Furniture Co. Los Angeles. Please tell me what you think.
    Thanks
    Ps. It is in excellent working condition

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  2. JTD

    JTD Registered User

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    Welcome to the board.

    You say you are looking for the 'real' maker of your clock. Do you mean who made the movement? If so,we would need to see photos of the movement, particularly the back plate which may have the maker's name or logo.

    Of course there may be others here who have more knowledge of who supplied the California Furniture Co.

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  3. Raymond Rice

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    Based on the impressive playlist --that is one fine chime clock!
    Ray
     
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  4. jkfabulos

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    In Tran Duy Ly's Longcase guide this clock is shown listed in the Borgfeldt & Co. 1922 catalog as a Jacques.
    There is quite a bit of reference to Borgfeldt and Bawo & Dotter concerning Jacques and their business relationships found by searching this site.
    Basically the movements were made in Germany and imported to be installed in US made cases thereby avoiding the taxes imposed on complete clocks.
    Jacques used several different cases for these 13 tubers. I have one in a case used by Waltham.
    The California Furniture Company was just a sales outlet and had nothing to do with the manufacture of this clock. If you remove the plaque and look at the backside it may be marked Jacques. Mine is marked Tiffany on the front and Jacques on the back.

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  5. chimeclockfan

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    This is definitely a sought-out clock as Jacques' 13 tube chime clocks are not commonly found compared to the more populous 6 and 9 tube models. The 13 tube clock wields a patented auto-synchronize device which changes the chime melodies every day of the week. This was covered under U.S. Patent No. 1220851:
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    The chimes played are Westminster, Whittington, Trinity, Notre-Dame, St. Paul, Auld Lang Syne, and Elite Carillon. From 1919 onward the St. James chime - a Jacques composition - replaces Whittington. As your clock plays Whittington it will be among the earlier production clocks and should be at least 100 years old.
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    All chimes were composed or arranged by Jacques, except the Westminster chime. All of his arrangements except Whittington were copyrighted and are not found on clocks from makers beyond Jacques' clientele.

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    The contemporary cases reflected changing tastes among American customers - while your lock's case shape is not rare, it is more often seen with 5, 6, or 9 tube movements. It is a nice, more modern take on a classic hall clock outline and would look good in virtually any home. The gridiron lyre pendulum is a superb 'bonus'.
     
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  6. brian fisher

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    it is indeed a jacques 13 tube clock. thank you for posting this. these clocks are very uncommon. so few of them were made because they were so expensive. it is said that just the metal parts inside the cabinet would have cost around 500.00 at the time. in those days, one could buy a farm for that kind of money. i purchased my 13 tube from a local clock company that was in business for around 50 years. the guy i bought it from said that my clock was the only 13 bell he had seen as over the course of time they were in business. as others have mentioned, the cabinet is not particularly uncommon, but the movement would have been the absolute top of the line. if you wouldn't mind posting the serial number from the back of the movement, i could compare it to mine simply to get a basis of time reference. if you could shoot a photo of the stamping on the top of one of the tubes, that would be very helpful too.

    i believe this clock may be later than you think. judging by the insignia between the 12 and the moon phase, i would guess from the early 1920's until the end of production around 1930.

    these are my jacques chimers:

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    the clock on the left is an 11 tube. it plays 4 melodies. it seems i don't actually have a completely assembled pic of my 7 melody 13 tube clock but you get the idea.

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  7. Steve Newquist

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    I am apprehensive to try and get into the movement to get the serial number I looked for YouTube videos but I don't see how I can look in the back , any suggestions? I will go by and get photo of the top of the tubes today. Thank you so much for responding
     
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    I figured out how to remove the hood and get to the serial #. Since you think it's a desirable piece, What do you think?

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  9. JTD

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    The name 'Elite' was used by several manufacturers but I think this movement was made by Mathias Bäuerle of St. Georgen (Germany). A very good quality movement and a lovely clock.

    If you unscrew the little oval plate you might see the Bäuerle name, but not always.

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  10. Isaac

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    Truly a wonderful movement. The "Peerless" and "Elite" line of Mathias Bauerle were top notch clocks and very robust in construction.

    Might I recommend that you find a very reputable clock repair shop to have the movement serviced. Doing so will definitely prolong the movement's life and prevent premature wear from dry pivot holes so that the clock can be on its way to last another 100+ years.
     
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  11. brian fisher

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    thank you for posting the pix. my movement is stamped 336593. presumably, mine would have been built at a later date.

    as to the stampings on the top of the tubes, the 13 stands for the number of tubes in the clock. the middle digit is apparently the tube's tone. all tubes should have the same 3 digit number denoting a matched set. not sure about the bottom digit.
     
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  12. chimeclockfan

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    The cursive 'Jacques' trademark was registered on December 14th, 1914 according to Mikrolisk. A likely date range for your clock would be 1915-1919.
     
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