J. for Jack L. for Laura E. for Eddie 3 New Waterbury Series E. J. & L.

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I just added a circa 1888 Waterbury Watch Company Grade L duplex running well (circa 8-12 size) to my collection. It's
the smallest one of the three.

Series E. J. & L
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Series E Waterbury Watch Company
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Series J Waterbury Watch Company
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Series L Waterbury Watch Company

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Waterbury Watch Company Trade Card
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Not to detract from the great (under-appreciated) watches, a little tidbit on the trade cards. During this era, the likenesses of well-known people were used to advertise a wide variety of goods and services. Although I haven't been able to identify the folks in Rob's card, I did run across some information on the man and woman in the first card below. As identified to the lower right of their images on the Sarsaparilla card, Mr. Lewis and Mrs. Gilbert were well-known stage personalities of the era. There is even an offer of a 7x13 chromolithograph on the reverse of the card. Their likenesses can be found on a variety of trade cards as seen below.
You can read more about them here Ayer's Sarsaparilla (The Deacon and Liza) Patent Medicine Trade Card 1870s | #1925036583

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RE: Series E above

Any pocket watch that in order to set the time you have to move
the hands manually with your finger you know that you are not dealing with
something high in quality (and the dial is paper). I have broken a hand on one of these
setting the time. That being said these watches are still solidly made.
Also, instead of a few winds of the crown and the watch is off and running this Series E needs 150
plus "winds" of the crown. Yet you can still find some of these
watches still running and with it's hands intact(like the one above).
.....but the dials are usually dirty if they were used.

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WOW, i've never seen them before
are they yours. Do you still have them.


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John, is there any indication on the end of the box that it is the aluminum version of the watch? I have an N - not aluminum plates - that shows this on the end of the box. The top and bottom of the watch appear to be the same as yours, so was just wondering about the box. No guarantees the watch and box were originally together, but I bought them together. The attached price list from the early 1890s doesn't seem to list the aluminum version. Yours is definitely a rarity. Thanks for showing the aluminum plates - Rob (and I!!) definitely need one. :)

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Pat, To see if your watch is original to the box, check the case back and see if it matches. This is from the 1893 catalogue which aligns nicely with your price list.-Cort


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Thanks for sharing the image, Cort. Unfortunately, not a match. This one is in a plain case with matching front and back. Seems the plain case would align with the writing on the box that says it was "my first watch at 8 years of age" but doesn't align with 1045. I've learned to never assume, but I do hope! :)
 

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John, I have not been able to find any records on the WWC aluminum production, although they did make other series with aluminum plates. I'm hoping Cort has uncovered something on this topic.
 

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I have no clue as to total Addison production, much less the variants. Percentage-wise I would guess the aluminum ones represent about 1% based on the two I have. -Cort
 
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We decided to have a seafood lunch and drove to the seaport in Mystic Connecticut.
On the way back I was going to drive around Waterbury to see any remnants of the Waterbury
Watch Company factory
but we passed the exit and went home. I did ask my wife to take a
photo of the sign on the way by. :) Next time. lol


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Next trip....
 
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I will tack this watch on this old thread. I haven't seen any info on this Model?

It is marked Jockey on the dial (enamel) and no plate markings. I believe it is a 6 size.

These Movements had a top plate to guard against dirt and you have to remove it to oil it.

It has a Jeweled Balance (4 Jewels) and of course a Duplex escapement.

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Jim,.

The example I have has a plain dial. I haven't been able to find any additional information on this model, either.

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Maybe they are very early NE products, or very late Waterbury that used up inventory.
They do not have the logo on dial or movement.


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I'm guessing they are from the same era as this Ruby - whenever that might have been.

Rick Hufnagel posted a Ruby that included the box. Inside the box was a printed message from Perry & Mason. My post immediately following Rick's has a little more information about Perry & Mason who were the publishers of Youth's Companion. Watches were included in the awards for selling subscriptions to their publication, so it's possible that the Ruby, as well as the Waterbury that Jim posted, was produced as a premium for Perry & Mason, or another company. If you read the subsequent posts in that thread, you'll see more info on the link between the companies.

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Rob (musicguy ) posted today that he was wearing his Series J pictured above. (https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/time-on-the-go.157643/post-1554968). For some reason, I noticed the dial on it today so checked pictures of the Series J WWC watches that I have. I thought it would be best to include my findings in the E, J, L thread.

It seems there were a couple of different Series J watches - the one like Rob's and one marked Americus along with Series J. The Americus has an Americus marked dial while the Waterbury Watch Company Series J has a dial like Rob's. Below are pictures from my 3 Series J watches.
WWC Series J (in as-found condition)
Americus Series J
two different Americus J dial variations

I've seen the font variations in other series, and as you can see from the file naming, at one time I thought that the later font was from the New England Watch Company days. However based on the attached 1895 price list acquired after the watches, these were definitely WWC production. The Americus is also included with other WWC watch images in the 1897 Green Brothers Material Catalog.

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I just ran across these scans today, and upon rereading the text realized that this 1889 Waterbury booklet also advertised E, J and L, so am adding it to this thread. The grandiose claims and take on the traditional Ali Baba tale may seem quite corny to us today, but apparently it helped sell watches at that time. They used this format on booklets from 1884 through at least 1889.

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I picked up a Jockey like Jim has. An odd ball to me too. My thoughts are transitional seeing as how there are NEWCo marked Jockey marked movements. But I am just speculating.
 

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