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Is this Hermle FHS movement and how old is it?

TimTimely

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Hello Members,
I'm newbie here and just join to ask some good questions for specialist advised.

I recently acquired old mantel clock and the previous owner didn't know how old and no ideas about it.

The front dial printed as small Made in Germany and it has silent lever at 12 o'clock.
In the back it has 5 bars and made Westminster chime every 15 minutes and chime and appropriate string per hours.
in the back plate it only print Made in Germany 13 c/m and no other logos or numbers.

if possible, I want to know how old the clock approximate age and how made the movement.

Thanks in advance for let me join in this informative forum and willing to learn further.
Tim.

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The case looks English. Can't tell you much about the movement from the back side, but Hermle's are usually stamped.
 

JTD

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The case looks English.
Hmm, I'm not so sure. I think it looks German, and the brass chapter ring does say Made in Germany.

Hermle's are usually stamped.
I agree, I would be surprised if this were a Hermle movement. Having said that, I cannot identify it further, but there are those here who can, so hope one will be along soon.

JTD
 

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The case looks English. Can't tell you much about the movement from the back side, but Hermle's are usually stamped.
In the second picture, you can make out the words "Made in Germany." So far as dates on Hermle movements, that first started in the 1960's I think. Of course, I'm not entirely clear that is a Hermle movement. Not saying it isn't, but I see nothing on the movement pictures to indicate it is.

I see JTD and I were neck and neck at the finish line.
 

Willie X

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I don't think it's a Hermle either ... it does have the 'look' of a 1950s clock? Willie X
 

TimTimely

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Thank you all, So I will assume it would be Mid Century instead of 1930s,
So far so good, the clock keeps time and chiming match with time on the dot.
Touch wood, I'm planning to keep the clock for long time. My house is full with chiming every 15 minutes.
 

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my Time only last 4 days after full key-wind, instead of others (learn from internet) 8 days.
 

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I thought this kind of clock movement would be typical 8 days after full key wind up right.? But unfortunately my clock stopped around every 4 days, previous owner (the seller) also told me he needs to turn key almost every 4 days.
Would it be possible for 4 day movement or may be the clock is actually 8 day movement but mainspring stuck at 4 day? Luckily the clock keeps time and chime are sync for good 4 days, then needs full key wind up at every day 4.
 
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JTD

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I thought this kind of clock movement would be typical 8 days after full key wind up right.? But unfortunately my clock stopped around every 4 days, previous owner (the seller) also told me he needs to turn key almost every 4 days.
Would it be possible for 4 day movement or may be the clock is actually 8 day movement but mainspring stuck at 4 day? Luckily the clock keeps time and chime are sync for good 4 days, then needs full key wind up at every day 4.
Yes, that's certainly not right, but it's hard to pinpoint the trouble without being able to see the movement clearly. Does it stop completely after 4 days or just slow down? If it stops, is it always at the same time? Are you sure you are winding all three arbors fully?

JTD
 

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It is not a Hermle movement, they look different and were almost always signed with the 'FHS' emblem.
These 1950's German mantel clocks - regionally known as buffetuhren - are impossible to clearly identify unless compared with a signed example or any published reference that shows the movement, parts. The 1957 Flume catalog gives a number of hour strike racks for different movements but trying to compare what's listed with what your clock has would require taking the movement out.

The gong unit looks like a typical Urgos pedestal, noted by the reddish paint color and copper rods.
Urgos was a supplier of gong units to other companies until the 1960's when the gong division was cast off to another company.

Without further reference to confirm an exact maker, two company names worth considering would be Karl Jauch and Blessing Werke KG.
 

Willie X

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Probably about 30 years past due for a service ... Willie X
 

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