Is This a Reproduction or an original? - Junghans

[digitalblsphemy]

 

[new2clocks]

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You have what appears to be a pre-1901 Junghans movement in a free swinger case that also could well be from the late 1890s.

Why do you think it is a reproduction?

Regards.

 

[Salsagev]

Why do you think it is a reproduction?

Regards.

The gong looks maybe like a reproduction?

Edit: The case is in very good (too good) condition for its age. Perhaps it was well taken care of.

 

[new2clocks]

The gong looks maybe like a reproduction?

If the gong was not original to the clock, then the gong would be a replacement gong - not a reproduction gong.

We need the OP to guide us as to his suspicions.

Regards.

 

[D.th.munroe]

The case inside and out definitely looks alot less than 120 years old, that doesn't mean it isn't, but It also looks like american oak, which makes me wonder. ?
Dan

 

[Salsagev]

but It also looks like american oak, which makes me wonder. ?

It looks like pine in some areas?

Maybe it’s just a very nice example of these clocks.

 

[D.th.munroe]

It looks like pine in some areas?

Maybe it’s just a very nice example of these clocks.

Yes It looks like pine mostly inside, if it is a reproduction case it was made quite well even if not true to originals it may have cost a bit to make.

 

[Ticktocktime100]

Hi,

The only Junghans clocks to have been reproduced, at least to the best of my knowledge, are the mystery clocks. This example looks all original to me and although clocks of this type were frequently reproduced, it was merely for the style - they were not copied as Junghans clocks.

Regards.

 

[rmarkowitz1_cee4a1]

The case inside and out definitely looks alot less than 120 years old, that doesn't mean it isn't, but It also looks like american oak, which makes me wonder. ?
Dan

I agree. I think the case was extensively rebuilt. Looks like someone used an old case front? The rest is brand spanking new, especially the interior.

Just ain't right. Not a lot to debate about IMCO.

RM

 

[digitalblsphemy]

Thanks for all the responses. To me?, that wood holding the movement is brand new, albeit extremely well done. The missing stain was also a question around the where the columns were as well as inside the housing. I just don't have the experience with Junghans that most of you might.
Wood has to age somewhat no matter how well taken care of it was.
This is a purchase I was pondering and I,m not interested in a reproduction

 

[Salsagev]

me?, that wood holding the movement is brand new, albeit extremely well done. The missing stain was also a question around the where the columns were as well as inside the housing. I just don't have the experience with Junghans that most of you might.

When you say “brand” new, that means that it has been restored/replaced to a large extent. Every clock I have had had a dust/smoke (junk) bunnies hiding around. Your clock looks spotless unless you’ve cleaned it already.

 

[digitalblsphemy]

Amen, I agree. I wish my clocks were that clean. There's always "history debris" somewhere. The things I've found inside(ugh)

 

[digitalblsphemy]

Just as an aside, as luck would have it, the person selling this clock just emailed me after I questioned it's authenticity .
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"I do see what you're saying about under the columns.
After over 100 years the wood parts fade or lighten where it's not exposed to light.
you would only see that when the clock works are removed.
Seems all the clocks fade under the columns on the door. The wood can gets slightly
darker with age exposed to light.
Or it could be that when someone cleaned it with furniture
oil they did not take it apart every time.

No its the real deal, and a very nice clock. You can not find those brass
parts anywhere anymore. Says Original to me"

 

[Kevin W.]

Pine would be a common wood used in old German cases. I have several German clocks using pine. Pretty sure my Gustav Becker is as well.

 

[Salsagev]

history debris

Yes, the package “deal”!

I do see what you're saying about under the columns.
After over 100 years the wood parts fade or lighten where it's not exposed to light.
you would only see that when the clock works are removed.
Seems all the clocks fade under the columns on the door. The wood can gets slightly
darker with age exposed to light.
Or it could be that when someone cleaned it with furniture
oil they did not take it apart every time.

Is the seller reputable?

 

[Salsagev]

Is the seller reputable?

Maybe he way selling/sold a completely rebuilt clock.

 

[new2clocks]

This is a purchase I was pondering and I,m not interested in a reproduction

By definition, this is not a reproduction, as Ticktocktime stated. Depending on the amount of restoration performed, a clock could be considered as a restored case or possibly a marriage.

I am not comfortable / knowledgeable enough to judge the age of wood via pictures only, although you have provided very good pictures. I prefer to see it in person. Have you seen the clock up close and in person or have you only the pictures you provided?

Regards.

 

[digitalblsphemy]

I really have no way of knowing. It's something that caught my eye online.
I haven't seen a clock with that much "bling" before ....

 

[Salsagev]

Depending on the amount of restoration performed, a clock could be considered as a restored case or possibly a marriage.

Perhaps it was kept under a glass box.

 

[Salsagev]

really have no way of knowing. It's something that caught my eye online.
I haven't seen a clock with that much "bling" before ....

Is it worth the price? I would not pay more than 400 for something like this (not that I would). Otherwise, it’s in remarkable condition. I always like to ask the seller about the origin of the clock, just to get an idea of how it’s been treated. If they said it was from their ancestors stash in the attic, expect wear and tear. If they said it was a family heirloom that they used for many years, expect some potential.

 

[rmarkowitz1_cee4a1]

Pine would be a common wood used in old German cases. I have several German clocks using pine. Pretty sure my Gustav Becker is as well.

Actually, it would be a European fir. Grain looks rather different than the N.A. pine.

By definition, this is not a reproduction, as Ticktocktime stated. Depending on the amount of restoration performed, a clock could be considered as a restored case or possibly a marriage.

I am not comfortable / knowledgeable enough to judge the age of wood via pictures only, although you have provided very good pictures. I prefer to see it in person. Have you seen the clock up close and in person or have you only the pictures you provided?

Regards.

Don't agree. I think these picture speak a 1000 words. From what I see, absolutely enough to make me pass on this clock.

These clocks seem to be rather common. What's the harm in waiting for one that doesn't raise a slew of concerns?

Call it what you want. I call it a bad deal.

RM

 

[Kevin W.]

Thanks RM. Correct is does not look like NA pine.

 

[Salsagev]

These clocks seem to be rather common. What's the harm in waiting for one that doesn't raise a slew of concerns?

Call it what you want. I call it a bad deal.

RM

I also think this is probably not the best deal (regardless of price, although this does not look like it would come cheap). Personally, this is too gaudy for anything in my collection, especially how it’s sooo clean.
But also don’t fall for stuff that’s too “junky” (like I have).

 

[new2clocks]

Don't agree. I think these picture speak a 1000 words.

There is nothing to agree or disagree with. I said I was not comfortable / knowledgeable enough to judge the age of wood via pictures only.

Regards.

 

[digitalblsphemy]

Thanks to all for your replies, it's greatly appreciated.
I think I'll pass on this clock myself. Too many uncertainties and besides the price as asked was way too much anyway.
I personally have greater satisfaction finding a " man this needs a lot of work" clock, and bringing it back to life....