• Important Executive Director Announcement from the NAWCC

    The NAWCC Board of Directors is pleased to announce that Mr. Rory McEvoy has been named Executive Director of the NAWCC. Rory is an internationally renowned horological scholar and comes to the NAWCC with strong credentials that solidly align with our education, fundraising, and membership growth objectives. He has a postgraduate degree in the conservation and restoration of antique clocks from West Dean College, and throughout his career, he has had the opportunity to handle some of the world’s most important horological artifacts, including longitude timekeepers by Harrison, Kendall, and Mudge.

    Rory formerly worked as Curator of Horology at the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, where his role included day-to-day management of research and digitization projects, writing, public speaking, conservation, convening conferences, exhibition work, and development of acquisition/disposal and collection care policies. In addition, he has worked as a horological specialist at Bonhams in London, where he cataloged and handled many rare timepieces and built important relationships with collectors, buyers, and sellers. Most recently, Rory has used his talents to share his love of horology at the university level by teaching horological theory, history, and the practical repair and making of clocks and watches at Birmingham City University.

    Rory is a British citizen and currently resides in the UK. Pre-COVID-19, Rory and his wife, Kaai, visited HQ in Columbia, Pennsylvania, where they met with staff, spent time in the Museum and Library & Research Center, and toured the area. Rory and Kaai will be relocating to the area as soon as the immigration challenges and travel restrictions due to COVID-19 permit.

    Some of you may already be familiar with Rory as he is also a well-known author and lecturer. His recent publications include the book Harrison Decoded: Towards a Perfect Pendulum Clock, which he edited with Jonathan Betts, and the article “George Graham and the Orrery” in the journal Nuncius.

    Until Rory’s relocation to the United States is complete, he will be working closely with an on-boarding team assembled by the NAWCC Board of Directors to introduce him to the opportunities and challenges before us and to ensure a smooth transition. Rory will be participating in strategic and financial planning immediately, which will allow him to hit the ground running when he arrives in Columbia

    You can read more about Rory McEvoy and this exciting announcement in the upcoming March/April issue of the Watch & Clock Bulletin.

    Please join the entire Board and staff in welcoming Rory to the NAWCC community.

Is This a Reproduction or an original? - Junghans

Salsagev

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Why do you think it is a reproduction?

Regards.
The gong looks maybe like a reproduction?

Edit: The case is in very good (too good) condition for its age. Perhaps it was well taken care of.
 

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The case inside and out definitely looks alot less than 120 years old, that doesn't mean it isn't, but It also looks like american oak, which makes me wonder. ?
Dan
 

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It looks like pine in some areas?

Maybe it’s just a very nice example of these clocks.
Yes It looks like pine mostly inside, if it is a reproduction case it was made quite well even if not true to originals it may have cost a bit to make.
 

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Hi,

The only Junghans clocks to have been reproduced, at least to the best of my knowledge, are the mystery clocks. This example looks all original to me and although clocks of this type were frequently reproduced, it was merely for the style - they were not copied as Junghans clocks.

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The case inside and out definitely looks alot less than 120 years old, that doesn't mean it isn't, but It also looks like american oak, which makes me wonder. ?
Dan
I agree. I think the case was extensively rebuilt. Looks like someone used an old case front? The rest is brand spanking new, especially the interior.

Just ain't right. Not a lot to debate about IMCO.

RM
 

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Thanks for all the responses. To me?, that wood holding the movement is brand new, albeit extremely well done. The missing stain was also a question around the where the columns were as well as inside the housing. I just don't have the experience with Junghans that most of you might.
Wood has to age somewhat no matter how well taken care of it was.
This is a purchase I was pondering and I,m not interested in a reproduction
 

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me?, that wood holding the movement is brand new, albeit extremely well done. The missing stain was also a question around the where the columns were as well as inside the housing. I just don't have the experience with Junghans that most of you might.
When you say “brand” new, that means that it has been restored/replaced to a large extent. Every clock I have had had a dust/smoke (junk) bunnies hiding around. Your clock looks spotless unless you’ve cleaned it already.
 

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Amen, I agree. I wish my clocks were that clean. There's always "history debris" somewhere. The things I've found inside(ugh)
 
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Just as an aside, as luck would have it, the person selling this clock just emailed me after I questioned it's authenticity .
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"I do see what you're saying about under the columns.
After over 100 years the wood parts fade or lighten where it's not exposed to light.
you would only see that when the clock works are removed.
Seems all the clocks fade under the columns on the door. The wood can gets slightly
darker with age exposed to light.
Or it could be that when someone cleaned it with furniture
oil they did not take it apart every time.

No its the real deal, and a very nice clock. You can not find those brass
parts anywhere anymore. Says Original to me"
 

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Pine would be a common wood used in old German cases. I have several German clocks using pine. Pretty sure my Gustav Becker is as well.
 

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history debris
Yes, the package “deal”!

I do see what you're saying about under the columns.
After over 100 years the wood parts fade or lighten where it's not exposed to light.
you would only see that when the clock works are removed.
Seems all the clocks fade under the columns on the door. The wood can gets slightly
darker with age exposed to light.
Or it could be that when someone cleaned it with furniture
oil they did not take it apart every time.
Is the seller reputable?
 

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This is a purchase I was pondering and I,m not interested in a reproduction
By definition, this is not a reproduction, as Ticktocktime stated. Depending on the amount of restoration performed, a clock could be considered as a restored case or possibly a marriage.

I am not comfortable / knowledgeable enough to judge the age of wood via pictures only, although you have provided very good pictures. I prefer to see it in person. Have you seen the clock up close and in person or have you only the pictures you provided?

Regards.
 

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I really have no way of knowing. It's something that caught my eye online.
I haven't seen a clock with that much "bling" before ....
 

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really have no way of knowing. It's something that caught my eye online.
I haven't seen a clock with that much "bling" before ....
Is it worth the price? I would not pay more than 400 for something like this (not that I would). Otherwise, it’s in remarkable condition. I always like to ask the seller about the origin of the clock, just to get an idea of how it’s been treated. If they said it was from their ancestors stash in the attic, expect wear and tear. If they said it was a family heirloom that they used for many years, expect some potential.
 

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Pine would be a common wood used in old German cases. I have several German clocks using pine. Pretty sure my Gustav Becker is as well.
Actually, it would be a European fir. Grain looks rather different than the N.A. pine.

By definition, this is not a reproduction, as Ticktocktime stated. Depending on the amount of restoration performed, a clock could be considered as a restored case or possibly a marriage.

I am not comfortable / knowledgeable enough to judge the age of wood via pictures only, although you have provided very good pictures. I prefer to see it in person. Have you seen the clock up close and in person or have you only the pictures you provided?

Regards.
Don't agree. I think these picture speak a 1000 words. From what I see, absolutely enough to make me pass on this clock.

These clocks seem to be rather common. What's the harm in waiting for one that doesn't raise a slew of concerns?

Call it what you want. I call it a bad deal.

RM
 
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These clocks seem to be rather common. What's the harm in waiting for one that doesn't raise a slew of concerns?

Call it what you want. I call it a bad deal.

RM
I also think this is probably not the best deal (regardless of price, although this does not look like it would come cheap). Personally, this is too gaudy for anything in my collection, especially how it’s sooo clean.
But also don’t fall for stuff that’s too “junky” (like I have).
 
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Thanks to all for your replies, it's greatly appreciated.
I think I'll pass on this clock myself. Too many uncertainties and besides the price as asked was way too much anyway.
I personally have greater satisfaction finding a " man this needs a lot of work" clock, and bringing it back to life....:)
 
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