Is this a 16k gold hallmark?

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  1. bchaps

    bchaps Registered User

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    OK...I'm back! Ten years ago my wife retired and we bought a 40 foot sailboat, took the " how to" classes and pointed the bow south. In January of this year, while docked in Grenada. West Indies, my wife and I both agreed it was time to come home. Three months later we were in Pametto, Florida and it began... "you fix clocks?" ..."can you look at my Dad's pocket watch?" ...I'm back.

    I have an old 18s, 15j National Watch in excellent running condition. The hunter case has a hallmark which my Dad noted as 16k in 1995. I can no longer ask him how he determined it was 16k so I started my own research. The case is engraved as a gift from Granpa to presumably grandson and dated 1877. The sn places the movement around 1869.. the early Apples were a bit inexact. But the hallmark.. it looks similar to the 16k solid gold hallmark in Shugart's guide but not identical. Is it possible that an early mark was later modified? Or does someone recognize this old mark? Pics of both the original mark and Cooksey' mark are attached. What do you think? Bill Chappell

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  2. Keith R...

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    #2 Keith R..., Aug 30, 2018
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    Looks like an early GW Ladd eagle. If you open the bezel you might see the
    Ladd patent date of 6/11/1867 on there. I thought the same thing first time I
    bought an early Ladd case.

    Now this one's open face Bill. Second one is different case but they had some
    pretty good designs. They are all gold filled. Here's a hunter case Ladd pic 3 & 4.

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    I timed out. Please go to the top right to the magnifying glass and type in GW Ladd watch cases.
    It shows eagles and many other Ladd stamps.

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    Thank you Keith! Yes, the bezel is marked "Ladd" with the 1867 pat. date. Your assistance is greatly appreciated. Bill
     
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    This is a surprisingly common mistake, and in fact when I saw the thread title I was guessing that it would be a Ladd case.

    I'm not sure if I've ever seen a 16K case marked with that eagle despite it being labeled as such in "the book", but Ladd "eagle" cases are at least somewhat common.
     
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    Thanks Bill, normally I let the pros answer the questions, but I own so many Ladd's I
    thought I'd help out.

    Good luck with the watch. Here's is an Elgin HH Taylor 15J in a GW Ladd case.

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    To give you a straight answer, no. A hallmark is from a hall, a guild hall, that tests items. No case maker or goldsmith ever hallmarks precious metal on their own authority. What you have is a maker's assertion and possible warranty. No US gold mark has any authority beyond its maker's reputation and there are no American precious metal hallmarks..
     

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