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  1. David S

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    All of a sudden noticed that the governance stuff is now at the bottom of my page , rather than at the top.

    Something on my end? or or or :???:

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  2. Steven Thornberry

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    Someone complained about having to scroll past the Governance forum to get to the stuff he liked. So, it seems to have been moved.
     
  3. David S

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    Some ONE!!! and it was moved... hmmm, ok.

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    #4 harold bain, Mar 28, 2017
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    Seems back to normal to me, David. Wait til you try to get used to the new forum software we are experimenting with!!
     
  5. Bill Stuntz

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    I moved it as an experiment, partly to see if anyone would notice. It didn't take you long. :D And because I got tired of scrolling down past it all the time to get to the "good stuff."
    Since we're moving to new MB software soon, I figured why not? It's back now.
     
  6. Tom McIntyre

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    Bill, did you try collapsing it? :)
     
  7. FDelGreco

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    What I would like to see collapsed are the "permanent threads" at the beginning of each forum. I'm tired of scrolling past those all the time.

    Frank
     
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    #8 Bill Stuntz, Mar 28, 2017
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    Yes - but it still "wastes" a vertical inch = 10% of my screen 24/7/365. And almost 25% if it's not collapsed. I'd rather have the stuff I actually USE at the top, and spot-check stuff that's farther down. The last post in any of those forums was >10 days ago. Why should I have to look at them (or just the header) 50 times per day as I wander around looking for problems to fix, etc. Scrolling down once per day should be plenty unless things heat up. Forums that change infrequently and are unlikely to contain urgent posts come pretty low on my priority list.

    P.S. People who aren't NAWCC members probably don't have a clue what we're talking about. They can't even SEE the Governance Forums.

    Frank, I DON'T disagree - for the same reasons. IMHO there are too many of them AGAIN. SOME of them are useful and maybe worth visiting more than once. And some are ESSENTIAL for people who can't figure out how to post photos - to name one example. But it would be nice if they could be collapsed after people know what's there. I'm hoping we'll be able to make that happen in the new software that we're working on.
     
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    The sticky threads will be collapsible on the new forum. They will show by default to newcomers and we may require some additional activity level to get the permission to collapse them. It is possible they could all collapse to a single button somewhere that says "expand forums" or "expand stickies."

    I think Bill is way overstating the scrolling issue since all screens will be touch based in a very few years and scrolling is hardly a problem with a touch display like I currently use.
     
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    #10 Bill Stuntz, Mar 28, 2017
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    :confused: So how do you access things that aren't currently visible on your touch screen? I suspect it's equally true if you substitute the word "swipe" for the word "scroll."

    P.S. I REALLY don't want to spend several hours per day holding my arm up at shoulder level swiping a desktop touch screen. My arm would probably fall off. That's why I've never even considered buying one.

    P.P.S. I LIKE the first idea.
     
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    Using scroll bars requires attention and fine motor skills that stretch the abilities of us elderly users. Swiping on a touch screen just like a telephone is a simple and natural act that can cover a wide area with moments effort. I usually use a gesture to throw the screen up or down and "catch" it with my finger when it gets to where I want it.

    I also use a relatively long page length on this message board to avoid selecting next or previous page very often.
     
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    Although I have a 23" (diagonal) monitor, the stickies in some forums consume the entire screen and I have to scroll down to see any threads. So what you are saying is that I will need to scroll for the next few years before my desktop computer will be touch based?

    Do you know for a fact that stickies will be collapsible with the new software -- and stay collapsed if I log out and back in?

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    Frank, you could check it out if you search for XenForo. This appears to be where we are headed soon.
     
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    I'll be the contrarian
    RE: sticky threads
    They are good.

    I've been on Forums for many years, and even ran
    one as an administrator webmaster.

    People do complain when there are too many sticky threads at the top, but sometimes
    important threads can be lost if not pasted at top of the forum.
    After a while I don't even see them. It's always a learning curve for new people
    finding where the first new post is, but that passes quickly.



    Rob
     
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    You will be able to collapse the stickeys and all the forums that do not interest you with the coming system. We are actually having people design it who do this for a living.

    We may require that you have obtained some status before you can start rearranging your forum view. For sure they will be visible until you have collapsed them.

    If you want to see what this kind of behavior is like click on the little chevron at the upper right corner of home page forum listing.
     
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    Trouble is, I agree with YOU, too - to a point. They do serve a useful purpose, especially for newcomers. But they're also intrusive if you have to see them and scroll past them ALL the time. I'm STRONGLY in favor of making them collapsable. I HOPE that works. Out of the way when you don't need/want them. Readily available when you need them. I DON'T want to make them go away. Another possibility I plan to look into is moving them to another forum - maybe named something like "FAQ's & Permanent Threads" or some such. If you can think of a good name that will be VERY obvious to newcomers, I'm all ears.
     
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    Bill, I don't see any problem for the stickies to be collapsible provided there is a catchy title that would somehow intuitively let the users know there is good stuff there to help. Maybe different titles for different forums.

    Also, what you propose about moving them to another forum "won't work" except possibly for general info and operations stickies. The majority of stickies are Forum-specific and need to stay that way.
     
  19. Bill Stuntz

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    I'm ALL for being able to collapse them. It may very well be the best solution. If it is, I'll be the first one to cheer! :clap: But I'm trying to brainstorm & throw out different ideas. With a little luck, SOMEONE's idea will provide the inspiration for a solution that's better than what we're doing now.

    What about a single locked "FAQ's & Permanent Threads" sub-forum inside each affected forum rather than a batch of permanent threads that fills most of the first page? Whatever "Catchy Title" is chosen needs to clearly express what's in there, and be the same in each forum that has one. A FEW forums NEED to be fixed. Most of them don't. The trouble is, it's the most popular forums that need to be fixed. Newcomers need that guidance. Frequent poster's don't - it just slows them down.
     
  20. Tom McIntyre

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    I am in favor of compiling a list of issues and reasons why they are issues. We are hiring professionals who have already solved almost all the problems we can describe. Once they get going, we can provide feedback on the result. I think that will be a couple of orders of magnitude more efficient.
     
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    The real problem with any forum (that has been around for
    a long time, and has a lot of senior members) is that new people
    will always ask questions that have already been answered and discussed
    on the forum in detail. You want to say to the new people that they should
    use the search bar before they start a new topic. Or, you
    can pin a few of these popular topics to the top of the forum. I do agree
    being collapsible is a very good idea.

    To the people doing the work behind the scenes here, thank you!

    As long as you keep this type of forum, and not move
    it to Facebook, I will be happy.


    Rob
     
  22. Tom McIntyre

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    This forum will never be a Facebook app, but we will be getting users who want to Like it on Facebook, Twitter, Google+, etc. Someone who lives in those places and is comfortable there can easily be our ambassador to the more casual horological community. That will in turn make us more visible to those searching on Google.
     
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