NAWCC is proud to present a new forum subject: Complicated Watches. By complicated watches we mean watches that are capable of more than just telling time, or are of a unique, complicated design. We hope that the new forum will spark additional interest, not only among pocket watch collectors, but also wrist watch collectors. Our goal is to engage not only the young aspiring aficionadas, but also seasoned collectors. We hope to become a hub for information on this subject and to have some fun along the way! My name is Philip Poniz. I have been appointed as moderator of this forum. I have been working with these types of watches for decades, as an academic, writing articles and giving talks, as an expert for auction houses and courts, as an advisor to collectors; but above all, as a collector with a passion for horology. The purpose of this forum is to draw on the expertise of the many members and their collective knowledge which is considerable - after all, we are the largest watch collectors’ association in the world. We want to be able to answer and ask questions, to share information and perhaps even argue a few points. I have been working on complicated watches for decades; I researched them in archives, museums and private collections, I studied the theory of their mechanisms, and I also made a few from scratch, including tourbillons, constant force escapements, etc. I have recreated missing complicated mechanisms for dozens of watches, including repeating mechanisms, tide indications, perpetual calendars, equations of time, and many more. Regardless of the many years I have spent with complicated watches, both as a collector (Mathematician by profession), an expert, and a restorer, I still come across a watch which puzzles and surprises me why I have not seen it before? I believe this sentiment is shared by many of you. This forum, I hope, will help to solve any mystery surrounding complicated watches. But foremost, I hope it will bring us fun, good education, and new participants. To start the discussion, I am enclosing photos of the most complicated watch ever made (without the help of a computer), The Graves. A book was written about it (by the talented Stacy Perman) which reads like a mystery story. The watch was sold by Patek Philippe in 1933 to an American banker, Henry Graves, for about $15,000 and again recently, at an auction, for approximately $24,000,000. The last one is a rare photo of the raw movement for the Graves watch that Patek Philippe received from one of his movement suppliers. Many collectors do not realize that the name engraved on the movement or printed on the dial, was not, as a rule, the name of the makers of the movement. The photo gives a rare glimpse of how the Swiss system of watchmaking worked. To the best of my knowledge the photo has never been published publicly before. It is a glimpse of the front company and the actual movement makers on whom the former, Etablissement, relied. In the next post I will discuss a relatively unknown aspect in certain complicated wristwatches.