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  1. gvasale

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    I'm looking for a key to open the glass door. Any help is appreciated.
     
  2. caldirun

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    I made one for my Gents Pulsynetic, take a few measurements from the lock and get a blank from Ebay, file it (I had to use 2 and cut them off and join together to get the correct length)
     
  3. gvasale

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    I suppose, but when you have no key to start with, how do you know where to file it?
     
  4. caldirun

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    Take the lock apart and all will be revealed, that is how I made my key.
     
  5. rickyn

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    I've made mine by getting a peace of brass that just fit in the key hole. Push it in all the way and wiggle , you will see marks at the edge . File on those marks and keep trying it on until it starts to turn. Keep on doing it until it turns and opens it. It is a slow work but if you take it easy it will work. It has for me me. All the best. Rickyn.
     
  6. gvasale

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    I'll have to try rickyn"s suggestion. Breaking the door to get at the lock would not be any kind of progress.
     
  7. rickyn

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    Gvasale. Keep looking for the marks that you'll see on the upper edge. keep filing until you don't see it anymore, then go to the next one and next one. When you see no more marks you might have a working key. I've done four for my ITRs and I'm still using them. Good luck. Rickyn.
     
  8. gvasale

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    Can you post a picture of a key?
     
  9. rickyn

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    Sorry no.I'm not so good with the computer. Usually my doughter helps me. She is out of town now and I don't know when she'll be back. Rickyn.
     
  10. harold bain

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    There was never a "one size fits all" with ITR clocks. We would have to know what you have to match a key to it. Pictures would help.
     
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    I've never made a copy of the other keys. I've done them one at the time. I know that it is a slow process but that was the only way for me. Rickyn.
     
  12. caldirun

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    Can the back be removed to allow access to the screws in the lock?
     
  13. gvasale

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    I took out all the screws and it won't budge. There's a couple of really heavy fasteners holding something visible on the back and I don't want to damage anything.
     
  14. Dick C

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    #14 Dick C, Nov 4, 2017
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    If you were to post a photo of the case, someone might be able to quickly help you if they have the same model; including the chapter in California that has a focus on electric clocks.

    Another possibility is that you go to the large auction site to see if there is a compatible model for sale. Then send a note to the seller asking for a photo of the complete key.
     
  15. caperace

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    The IBM parts book list the part number for the clocks, but the part number does not give you the key number, I have a not that says the STS 1 key fits the 1930 IBM model 25. If you have know the model or have a picture of the clock that someone could identify that might help, I have some keys you could borrow and have a copy made if they fit. my e mail is jamestlane@gmail.com
     
  16. John Lippold

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    Here are the dimensions of the STS1 key.

    STS1 Corbin Cabinet Lock-01.jpg STS1 Corbin Cabinet Lock-02.jpg
     
  17. gvasale

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    That's quite a key. This is a punch card clock. I'll need to post a picture to narrow down the possibilities.
     
  18. gvasale

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    OK. Here's the clock.

    PBC_8928.JPG itr punch card.jpg
     
  19. John Lippold

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    The clock shown above is an International Job Recorder, Style 2000. The STS1 key shown in post #16 is the correct key to unlock the door.
     
  20. gvasale

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    Thank you. I'll get some material and start filing. One thing though, what's the dimension from the tip of the ogive to the first flat feature?
     
  21. caperace

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    I would be interested in any history you have on the clock, I think the sticker in the clock lists a Kenmore telephone exchange number, that would be around the Fenway Ball Park area, I believe Simplex or IBM may have had an office in the area years ago. Sometimes you will find a salesmans card stuck on the inside, I would appreciated any info on the inside, since you live in Webster, I would think the clock came from the Worcester area.
     
  22. gvasale

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    I don't have any history other than what's visible. If there's another tag or card inside which appears when I can get it open, I'll let you know. The clock came from an auction, and it is not mine. Given to me for exam and repair. Looks like an electric motor was fitted as winding arbors are gone. When I get inside I'll fill in the blanks.
     
  23. John Lippold

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    From the rounded tip of the key to the first flat feature is .100" or 1/10th of an inch.
     
  24. gvasale

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    Great. Thank you.
     
  25. Peter

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    I have STS1 keys available, that is my pic and drawing from an earlier post. ppz@gov.com

    -Pete
     
  26. gvasale

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    Well, what's the deal?
     
  27. JTD

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    I think if you email him at the address he kindly provided, you will find out. Buying and selling is not allowed on the MB, which is doubtless why he gave you his email, so that you could conduct any further negotiations off the board.

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  28. gvasale

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    Gotcha, although he could just have well sent a PM.
     
  29. gvasale

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    The key arrived from Peter and it's perfect. This particular clock was sold in the late 20s.
     
  30. harold bain

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    I've converted a few of these back to original pendulum clock with mainsprings. It can be done, but you have to watch for these movements on ebay.
     
  31. gvasale

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    FYI: Clock shipped to Biddle & Smart, Amesbury, Ma 2 28-1927, sole by ? Mc Clure. Serviced by Boston Time System Service. Last notation of service 11-1-1937
     
  32. Peter

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    Thank You,
    Glad it worked.

    -Pete
     
  33. gvasale

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    Now, where to find an ink ribbon. about 1.90" wide.
     
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  36. JTD

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    You could try Ribbons Unlimited Co. in Owings Mill MD. They sell a 2" ribbon in black, purple or red cost, $14.95. Telephone 1-800-250-7426

    Hope this helps.

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  37. Npengelly

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    Hi Pete , do you have any more keys as I have a ITR and can not open the door here is my model:-

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  38. Peter

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    Sorry for the delay, I only check in here about once a week, plus my internet connection has been sporadic for the past three weeks, finally fixed. I have these keys available, newly cut on original blanks, tested in my 2 IBM clocks. Others have said they work in ITR clocks but I have no personal experience there, and no guarantees. Not sure if British manufactured ITR used the same key. will send email with details.
    -Pete
     
  39. Mark Conrad

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    ED61529F-3604-465C-8BA1-90C46A97CE5C.jpeg I just recently purchased an STS1 master key from Pete for my B&O Railroad timeclock and it worked like a charm. He said he still has a lot left.
     
  40. Tony Jarrett

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    I would love a key if they are still available.
     
  41. JTD

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    You could send Peter a personal message. Click on his name and start 'conversation'.

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