Interesting Red Cross dial

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  1. Roy Horrorlogic

    Roy Horrorlogic Registered User
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    I dug this one out of the archives recently. Whilst it's pretty degraded the dial is interesting, bearing a red cross. I assume this has some medical or possibly military significance - or not...
    Anyone seen anything like it and have an idea about its provenance?
    Roy

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  2. roughbarked

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    The red cross stands for Switzerland. The movement looks to be possibly MST 229. Medana or Roamer should be on the dial but maybe this was before they were using those brands.
     
  3. novicetimekeeper

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    That's what I wondered, but the swiss flag is a white cross on a red ground. I was trying to think if I had ever seen the red cross used to denote Switzerland.
     
  4. JTD

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    I don't think the cross denotes Switzerland. I have seen at least one watch with a red cross on the dial, and I think it was on this board, but I can't find it. I think (if I recall correctly) that it was established to have been a watch for medical staff.

    The fact that the sweep second hand is also red leads to think that your watch may well have been a nurse's watch, possibly military.

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  5. Roy Horrorlogic

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    Thanks folks. Switzerland... well, yes, sort of. The consensus so far tends toward the medical. Gold dial would be a bit odd for military issue though.
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    #6 roughbarked, Apr 26, 2018
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    Nurses watches do have them but for many decades, such watches have been pinned to chests with the watch upside down for easy access. Nurses watches are also used in military hospitals.

    and yes, I was mixing my colours in crosses.

    Looking at all this in the nurses watch light again, shows me that the watch could have been hung from a ribbon upside down and pinned to the chest. As nurses watches are. It can barely be seen now but the dial markings were once quite detailed. It is carried out in the pattern on the dial center.
     
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    wouldn't it only need one lug to hang upside down?
     
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    Not at all necessary. A softer band can be passed through the same lugs and have a double lock but still be able to be hung upside down.

    I'm also going to recant on suggesting that the movement is MST. It is more likely an AS or something.
     
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    Hi
    These were WWI (trench watches) made for nurses, doctors or ambulance drivers.
    They have a few in NACC museum

    Here is a GALLET one, that I personally donated - note the very early large center sweep seconds hand

    Wristwatch - 2013.1.1

    Here (just the dial) has the Red X insignia and AMBULANCE
    Wristwatch - FIC2012.14

    and here is one (just the dial) marked both the red X insignia AND AMBULANCE
    Wristwatch - FIC2012.14

    Best
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  10. Jack_W

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    I'd bet it is FHF in origin. Seeing the setting works would settle this.
     
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    Yes. FHF would have been a good choice.
     
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    And the US companies also produced these for medical personal:

    This is my 0s Waltham from 1916, there is a period advert for these in Stan's Waltham book.

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    Thanks for the responses. I'll take the dial off as soon as I have (or make) time and establish if it is an FHF movement - easier than ploughing thorough Paulson trying to identify the top plate. I'll also add a snap.
    Roy
     
  14. Roy Horrorlogic

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    Hi there - and yes, it's an FHF.
    Says FHF 1 but I can't find the exact 17 J movement in Ranfft. It's unspeakably filthy, hasn't had a back plate for decades, and runs... Unfortunately the setting lever is absent.

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  15. Roy Horrorlogic

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    The closest looking 15 J movements in the Ranfft site are a lot later (1940 ish) than I'd assumed this one was.
     
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    JTD nailed it. For sure a medical watch of some kind. Without doubt the red hand sweeps hand indicates this.

    Super find!
     
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    Dr Ranfft's site is great, but it is missing some things. It is a phenomenal work in progress.

    The movement is most assuredly ca. 1918 or so. There are other sources that one can find that seemingly ubiquitous FHF setting works design on WWI contemporaneous watches.
     

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