Info on Patek PW

Discussion in 'European & Other Pocket Watches' started by jkey, Jan 16, 2008.

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  1. jkey

    jkey Registered User

    Mar 5, 2004
    I have a Patek with a S/N of 82327, the name of Robert Ernst Vicksburg Miss engraved on the movement, a glass protector over the movement and no info as to how many jewels.
    Would like to know the age, why a name inside and how many jewels. Thanks for your help. NAWCC # 136299.
  2. rrwatch

    rrwatch Registered User
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    Sep 4, 2000
    Pooler, GA USA
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    The name on the movement is almost certainly the name (Robert Ernst) and location (Vicksburg, Mississippi) of the jeweler who sold the watch when new. These "private label" watches were quite common during the 1890s and early 1900's. Many watch manufacturers, both European and American, would engrave the jewelry store name and location on the movements and sometimes also on the dials, for a small premium or for free if they bought at least four or five movements all done with the same name at the same time.
    If you will post a close-up scan of the movement we may be able to see what the jewel count is on your watch. P,P & Co. made time only movements with 15, 16, 18 and 20 jewels. If the center wheel is NOT jeweled it is probably a 15 jewel, if then center is jeweled and neither the escape or pallet arbors are cap jeweled it is a 16 jewel, if the escape wheel is cap jeweled it is an 18 jewel, and if BOTH the escape and pallet arbors are cap jeweled it is a 20 jewel.
    Your serial number, 82327, indicates a manufacture date of the late 1880s, according to the date list I have for Patek.

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