Info on Berguer, London bracket clock?

Gr8ham

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I’ve come across a musical bracket clock marked on the dial and the back plate with “Berguer, London” and was wondering if anyone had any information about the clockmaker or any similarly marked clocks. Britten lists a Charles Berguer as a musical clockmaker in Lonion c. 1825 a sell as a couple other Berguers in the 1800-1820 period.

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Britten lists four makers in London with the name Berguer in the early 1800s, John, Frederick, Franz and Charles. Loomes has three there for the same period, Francis, Frederick and John, he has a fourth with no first name late 18th C at the same street address as John. As that isn't an English name I imagine they were immigrants and related. Pictures of the clock are always nice to see.
 

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I’ve come across a musical bracket clock marked on the dial and the back plate with “Berguer, London” and was wondering if anyone had any information about the clockmaker or any similarly marked clocks. Britten lists a Charles Berguer as a musical clockmaker in Lonion c. 1825 a sell as a couple other Berguers in the 1800-1820 period.

Thanks!
How about a photo?
 

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Hi, I was the underbidder on your clock. If I hadn’t bought so much other stuff, I would have pressed you more. Regardless, it was a steal. .;)

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Hi, I was the underbidder on your clock. If I hadn’t bought so much other stuff, I would have pressed you more. Regardless, it was a steal. .;)

Ralph
A pleasure to meet you Ralph! My daughter's education fund thanks you for not pressing further! What other goodies did you score?
 

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I don't suppose anyone has any photos/knowledge of any other clocks by any of the Berguers working in London in the early 19th century? My assumption is that this clock would have been by Charles Berguer since Britten lists him alone of the four as a musical clock maker. For such a complicated movement it seems hard to believe there aren't others running around out there.
 

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Very nice and unusual clock...what are the chances you could post a video of it striking?

There is a Berguer clock in this Dreweatts and Bloomsbury catalogue 22 Feb 2012 Lot 247. The auction listing suggests that they were 1st generation Swiss immigrants, as there was a Berger(Berguer) family working a generation earlier in Chaux-de-Fonds.

I looked further and Chapuis lists a Samuel Berger (Berguer) (1727-1777) from Signau, working at Chaux-de-Fonds and mentions bells for carillons amongst other things (I don't understand all of his short hand). And a Jonas Berger (Berguer) from Signau, working at Chaux-de-Fonds from 1773-1781. Could be a relation.

PDF Download - Bloomsbury Auctions (yumpu.com)

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Gr8ham

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Very nice and unusual clock...what are the chances you could post a video of it striking?

There is a Berguer clock in this Dreweatts and Bloomsbury catalogue 22 Feb 2012 Lot 247. The auction listing suggests that they were 1st generation Swiss immigrants, as there was a Berger(Berguer) family working a generation earlier in Chaux-de-Fonds.

I looked further and Chapuis lists a Samuel Berger (Berguer) (1727-1777) from Signau, working at Chaux-de-Fonds and mentions bells for carillons amongst other things (I don't understand all of his short hand). And a Jonas Berger (Berguer) from Signau, working at Chaux-de-Fonds from 1773-1781. Could be a relation.

PDF Download - Bloomsbury Auctions (yumpu.com)

Will
Thanks very much for that! I've been poking around as well and so far that is the only reference I can locate to an actual clock with the Berguer name on it.

I'll see what I can do about a video.
 

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By way of update I've had a chance to look more closely at the movement and attach some photos. The nest of bells is misaligned due to a broken support post so I'll have to rectify that before I can post a video of it chiming.

One fusee train runs the big musical chime, one train runs the time, a third train runs the quarter chime with a separate chime barrel and hammers and the fourth runs the hour strike. The spring barrels are currently fitted with chains but also have the three holes more typical of having had gut lines at one point. Interestingly the fusee cones have more or less flat grooves rather than rounded ones.

I've added a 12" ruler to the photo of the backplate to give some perspective on just how large this movement is...

Berguer 10.jpg

Berguer 6.jpg

Berguer 8.jpg

Berguer 9.jpg

Berguer 7.jpg
 
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Very cool movement! I can imagine how heavy it is.
I have seen the fusee cone with flat tracks but for gut lines. If there hole in fusee for gut line fix that means that chain is not original.
Please share music record when ready.
 

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yes barrel suggests it was once gut. Lovely hands.
 

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