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Fred Hansen

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The last few months I've spent some time going through the past threads of this board and reading some of the interesting discussions.

I'm posting an index here of some of our good past Illinois threads, and will start with the ones I've picked out. But I'm looking at today's posting as just the start of this index and would like to ask for everyone's help to make this better. What I'd like to hear are suggestions for ...


  • Old threads to add that I missed
  • Any threads that were included but shouldn't be (redundant, inaccurate, too many broken links, etc.)
  • Organization suggestions
  • Changes of the naming of threads in this index
  • Any other suggestions/feedback

... and in the future I would like to come back and update this list with new threads as they develop, and I will be interested in suggestions for these too.

So all input from our Illinois collectors on this is appreciated, here goes and I hope our members enjoy some reading! ...

Illinois Watch Co. Reference Tools
Russ Snyder's 2009 Illinois Watch Co. Database


18 size grades
Bunn --> Serial #201, the first serial number Illinois Bunn
Bunn --> Keywind serial #'s 2001-2500
Bunn --> The last keywind made
Bunn --> Model 2
Bunn --> Model 2 with Nickel plates
Bunn --> Model 3 with Teske's regulator
Bunn --> Model 4 17 Jewel
Bunn --> Model 4 16 Jewel
18 size Bunn Special Research Thread
Bunn Special --> "Extra"
Bunn Special --> 21 jewel 2-Tone
Bunn Special --> Used on 1911 South Pole expedition
Bunn Special --> New Variants discovered
Bunn Special --> Appropriate Dial and Hands
Bates with black dial
Columbia
Dean grade movements marked "Springfield Watch Co."
Mason
Miller
Stuart --> First run serial #72
Stuart --> serial #2637 and #2599
Grade 64 --> 24 Jewel
Grades 100, 104, and 105
Grade 101 1/2 --> 15 jewel model 6
Grade 105 --> Model 3
Grade 105 --> Model 3 more info
Model 3 --> Jeweled 5th Pinion
Gilt damaskeening
Washington Watch Co. "Liberty Bell"


16 and 17 size grades
16 size numbered grades overview
Bunn Special --> "Pinwheel" pattern
Bunn Special --> 2-Tone
Bunn Special --> 21 jewel, and general Bunn Special overview
Bunn Special --> 21 jewel
Bunn Special --> "The Story of a Watch" movie available to NAWCC members
Bunn Special --> Dials
Bunn Special --> Grade 161A movement tin
Bunn Special --> Aluminum boxes
Bunn --> 17 Jewel
Bunn and Bunn Special --> "48 Hour?"
Sangamo
Sangamo --> Research
Sangamo --> "Extra"
Sangamo --> Name
Sangamo --> Name (another thread)
Sangamo --> Model 9 in advertisement, does it exist?
Sangamo Special --> "Beginning to End" eBook
Sangamo Special --> 17 size
Sangamo Special --> 17 size "60 Hour"
Sangamo Special --> 17 size aluminum boxes
Grade 167
Grade 177
Grade 187 - Movement Marking/Damascening Variations | NAWCC Forums
Grade 187 --> Model 9 in advertisement, does it exist?
Grade 305 --> 17 jewel open face
12 jewel movement
Strange 16 size dials


12, 13, 14, and 14/12 size threads
"The Springfield Watch"
Aluminum watch
Illini --> "Directoire"
Thin model research
Grade 409
Grade 410 and 510
Grade 415
Grade 435
Grade 528
Grade 539 --> 19 Jewel


Private-label Illinois threads
Sears Roebuck &Co.
Private-label research
Canadian private-labels
Factory mistake?
1905 Special and 1908 Special
Benjamin Franklin --> 18 size 21 jewel
Chronos
Criterion
Electric Railroad Special
Illinois Central
Inter-State Chronometers
Kuesel & Puls 15j open pocket watch
Montgomery Ward & Co. --> 24 jewel
Pennsylvania Special --> 16 size 23 jewel Bunn Special grade
Paillard Non-Magnetic Watch Co.
Plymouth Watch Co.
Queen --> 18 size gilt
Railroad King --> Bunn grade
Railway
Santa Fe Special
TASCO
Washington Watch Co. --> "Lafayette" 18 size
Washington Watch Co. --> "Lafayette" 16 size model 9
Washington Watch Co. --> "Lafayette" 16 size model 5
Washington Watch Co. --> "Liberty Bell"
Wolverine
Wm. G. Earle, Philadelphia --> Bunn Special and others


Illinois Watch Co. Advertising and Ephemera
1921 Illinois Watch Selling Prices
Postcards


Miscellaneous Illinois Watch Co. discussions
Illinois 16s Grade 187 - Movement Marking/Damascening Variations | NAWCC Forums

Picture and multicolor Fancy dials
Letter grades
Collector interest for obscure grades
Adjusted 4 Position watches (includes Illinois and others)
Gold damaskeened pattern research
"Special" marking on movements
"Numbered" movements
"Numbered" movements (more)
Aluminum Illinois wristwatch
Illinois Watch Co. observatory telescope
S.W.Co. serial number prefix


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Grant Perry

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Wow! What a great idea Fred.
Thank you for the commitment in putting this together.
It goes to show how much useful information has been assembled over the years. It just takes committed moderators and members like you to bring it all back to life.
Unfortunately I don't have anything useful to add to the index :(
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Brian C.

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Thanks Fred, for all the time and effort that went into this project. It's a keeper.
Brian C.
 

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Fred... as usual .... excellent work! and I do know it was not easy!:clap::clap::clap:

I would request the admin PIN this thread to the top of the forum....
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bernie levine

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Fred,

Thanks for your necessary and important Illinois Watch Co.
threads. I believe It really advances our understanding and our interest in
Illinois watch collecting.

Bernie Levine
 

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Great Job, Fred!

Is this also going to be pinned, Deb?
 

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Bravo!
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Fred Hansen

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Thanks all here and also to those who have sent emails about this!

I'll pin this thread also ... I do have other "index" type threads in mind ... but I don't want to continue pinning each of these because this would clutter the top of this forum too much. So probably with the next one I will replace the pinned threads with a "master index" type thread that simply links to each of these more specific "index" type threads.

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Fred Hansen

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Are there any threads about the Santa Fe Special or the Abe Lincoln watches?
I'm sure there are some discussions of these on the board, but off hand I don't remember any that were the type of comprehensive overview that I tried to include in the above list of threads.

I'd say give the search feature of this board a try, but if you don't find one that answers what you are looking for than post your questions in another thread to this board and we will make a good discussion happen and then we will have one to add to the index above.

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Fred said:
Are there any threads about the Santa Fe Special or the Abe Lincoln watches?
I'm sure there are some discussions of these on the board, but off hand I don't remember any that were the type of comprehensive overview that I tried to include in the above list of threads.

I'd say give the search feature of this board a try, but if you don't find one that answers what you are looking for than post your questions in another thread to this board and we will make a good discussion happen and then we will have one to add to the index above.

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Fred
Thanks, Fred. I will try the search feature first. :)
 

Fred Hansen

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Thanks Laura and I see you found a very good one with some great discussion and original advertisements, so I will add this one to the index.

:)

Fred
 

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Hi Fred,

How about a recording of multi color or picture Illinois dials? I know from looking for Illinois watches that they did not seem put out a lot with these types of dials so I would think it would make for interesting viewing. When I do see them I sure do try to purchase them. :)

I know I would also be keen to see all examples of 17J models 3's, not just the Bunns or 105's. Could be too broad but I just don't see too many that are fully jewelled.

Unique damaskeening patterns?

Is it worth first run or last run of Bunn's? It may be too broad.

Great work so far Fred. Very good for us Illinois collectors.

Regards,

Nigel.
 

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Hi Nigel,

You're right about the 17J model 3's - there were probably no more than 6000 or so of these made in grade Miller, 65, 101 and 103.

Here's some pics, and morre pics of these would be nice!
 

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Fred Hansen

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Nigel -

These are great ideas for threads and lets make them happen! I'd say best to start a fresh thread for each topic on the board, and then we can link them here into the index among the other threads.

For the model 3 movements I would suggest a possible focus on all watches with the jeweled fifth pinion. This would open things up beyond the 17 jewel movements to also include the 16 and 18 jewel in this model which are sometimes made in the same grades as the 17J. There are also a small number of 12 jewel model 3 with a jeweled fifth pinion and these would be neat to cover too.

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Fred said:
Nigel -

These are great ideas for threads and lets make them happen! I'd say best to start a fresh thread for each topic on the board, and then we can link them here into the index among the other threads.

For the model 3 movements I would suggest a possible focus on all watches with the jeweled fifth pinion. This would open things up beyond the 17 jewel movements to also include the 16 and 18 jewel in this model which are sometimes made in the same grades as the 17J. There are also a small number of 12 jewel model 3 with a jeweled fifth pinion and these would be neat to cover too.

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bernie levine

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For Ill model 3 5th pinion 17 or higher jewels here are a few for starters:

Gr Stuart 17 J # 50446.
" 65 18J #1192763 Wilson Bros ,King of the road.
" Bunn 18j # 507420 Nickel model
 

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Fred, I would suggest adding this threadClick Here to the list. I did not notice anything about 18s Illinois Bunn Special watches in a previous thread, so that is why I started the new thread.
 

Fred Hansen

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Definitely Laura! That is a great topic you started and will help a lot of collectors and I will add it to the list right now.

Fred
 

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Super good call Fred! Russ Snyder's CD is a must have for any serious Illinois collector and is worth its weight in gold. I don't know how I ever lived without the previous rendition and am eagerly awaiting the arrival of the latest and greatest!

This thread will be added to a special section labeled "Illinois Watch Co. Reference Tools" and will be added to the very top of the list!

Regards,
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Fred Hansen

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9 more good threads for the Illinois index ...


18 size

Bunn 19 jewel ... https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?p=366976

Bunn Special, 23 jewel vs. 24 jewel ... https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=49381

Grade 94 ... https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=49416


16 size

Grade 167 signed Hamilton ... https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=49363


12 size

Grade 425 ... https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=48293



Private Label

Burlington Watch Co. ... https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?p=366982

Burlington "Bull Dog" ... https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=49435

Santa Fe Special 12 size ... https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=49304



Other

unmarked Bunn Special style case ... https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=49445

https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=49304
 
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