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    1178279 - 'E. Keller, Allentown, Pa.', model 5, Bunn grade, 16J (verified), DS dial. Only 333 of the 16J variant made.

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    1043535 - 'J & A, Baltimore, Md.', 16-size, model 1, grade 112, 11J, SS dial

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    1174266 - 'R. E. Brackett Jr., Lansing, Mich.', model 2, grade 61, 15J, DS dial

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    88605 - 'Oriental', model 1, Currier grade, 11J, SS dial

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    1286780 - 'John M. Roberts, Pittsburgh, Pa., RailRoad Dispatcher', model 5, grade 57, 15J, SS dial

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    231320 - 'Q. Quick', model 2, grade 101, 11J, DS dial

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    First of several finds at the National. (Just got home last night.)

    234313 - 'Howard Brothers, Independent', model 1, grade 101, 11J,

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  8. Fred Hansen

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    Congrats Dave, I love that black HB dial!

    Going from memory I believe the all-nickel Independent movement is also quite uncommon on these.
     
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    237039 - 'Invincible', model 3, grade 101, 11 J, DS dial

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    376583 - Washington, 18S, KW, SW, Model 3, Grade 3-S, LS, 11J, SS Dial & 5th Pinion.

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    226412 - 'Colorado', model 2, grade 101, 11J, DS dial with monogram.

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    1064980 - 'E. E. Cheney, Nashua, NH', model 3, grade 5, 17J (verified)

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    1222970 - 'Wilson Brothers, Boston, Mass', 16-size, model 1, grade 114, 16J, DS dial

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    1222744 - 'Benedict Brothers, New York', 16-size, model 1, grade 114, 17J, DS dial

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    1047798 - 'Jacob Morch & Sons, 130 Broadway, Brooklyn, NY', 16-size, model 1, grade 114, 15J, DS dial

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    143530 - 'S. C. Newhall, Lynn, Mass.', model 1, Columbia grade, 11J, SS dial

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    1577270 - 'C. S. Bennett, Guilford, Me.', model 6, grade 51, 15J, DS dial

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    1053042 - 'W. A. England, Worcester, Mass.', model 4, grade 2 1/2, 15J, SS dial

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    315392 - 'Lightning Express', model 1, Currier grade, 13 jewel, SS dial

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    3549884 – “Railroad Grade, S.Aalto, New York U.S.A.” on dial and movement. A. Lincoln Grade, 21J, All #’s match but balance jewels have some visible and invisible improper repairs and some wobble in the balance, but very nice dial and a case I think might be original and in nice condition and uncommon engraving of the Statue of Liberty, a ship and US Shield…but very befitting a NY Jeweler. Identical #3549895 is pictured in extra photos on the Illinois CD.


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    Chris,

    I can't tell you how much I love this watch. The case just makes way too much sense not to be original. There are a few nice PL A. Lincoln grades including the Denver Rio Grande Special but yours doesn't play second fiddle to any of them.
     
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    A bit of rust, but still a beautiful movement...

    1027161 - 'Benedict Brothers, New York', 14-size, model 1, grade 124, 17 jewel, DS dial

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    Great watch Chris, I actually owned this one about 10 years ago and can at least say it was in this same case when I had it.
     
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    #1174 Keith R..., Aug 16, 2019
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    Is this considered Private Label?

    A Rob Carter serviced Railroad King.

    PS........Thanks Dave C... BTW, any American collector who might want to find
    a verge at auction, I would be happy to help you land a good original.

    Keith R...

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    Meggers and Ehrhardt put them in the private label category in their book. Good enough for me!
     
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    217567 - 'Hubash, Larsen & Wilson, California Watch & Jewelry Co., San Francisco', model 2, grade 101, 11J, SS dial

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    1051479 - 'Wathiers Railway Watch, Chicago, Ill.', model 4, grade 65, 15J, DS dial

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    272762 - 'M. Hoffman, East Saginaw, Mich.', model 2, grade 100, 11J (Verified. This is a mixed 15/11 jewel run.) DS dial.

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    How many turn of the century jewelers do we see that are "xxx & Son" or "xxx & Sons"? How about a daughter for a nice change?

    2081045 - "John Spencer & Daughter, Edgerton, Wis.", 16-size, model 4, grade 173, 15 jewel, DS dial

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    Dave, after all the nice private label examples, you still come up with the most interesting !! Thanks !
     
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    PL Prince Edward Island aren't very common
    2353073, G.H.Taylor, Charlottetown.PE.I, grade 69 model 6, 17 jewel, DS dial
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    212977 - 'Charles Sumner, Boston', model 3, grade 103, 17J (verified), DS dial

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    I have two other Excelsiors in my collection and both just have fancy engraving on the barrel bridge. This one has 'San Francisco'. Pulled the bridge to make sure it is right and it is. Unfortunately, the dial is missing.

    154219 - 'Excelsior, San Francisco', model 2, America grade, 7J

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    Just acquired this 18s, 21j, Bunn Special Grade private label watch. It was made for J. A. Hesselbom, a Swedish immigrant, born in Sweden on Jan 20, 1851 and died in Chicago, IL USA on Oct 5, 1917. He was a watch and clock maker, jeweler, and optician whose business was located at 103 Garfield Boulevard in Chicago, IL from the late 1800's until his passing in 1917. The watch is in good operating condition, but the dial needs a cleaning and the hands do not look original to me. Items that can be easily addressed later.

    Quoting from The Jeweler’s Circular & Horological Review; Feb 9, 1898, pp 38-39:

    “J. A. Hesselbom is a jeweler and optician at 103 Garfield Boulevard, Chicago. He is a Swede, who came to this country some years ago, with the careful training in hand watch making which the old countries give their children. On the wall of his shop is a clock in which he takes great pride, and which he compares with the Government time every day to note the variations in it. This is from nothing to two and one-half seconds a day, averaging about one second a day. On this clock he got when a young man of 20, a medal and a diploma from the Upsala Stadt Fabriks och HandtverksFoerening, for “flit och arbetsskicklichet” which means for diligence and workmanship.

    Upsala is the university town of Sweden, and the above mentioned society is composed of master tradesmen, one from each trade. They meet once a month, and consider such specimens of craftsmanship as young workmen submit to them, and when these are good enough they award medals and diplomas. This clock earned Mr. Hesselbom 20 crowns, a silver medal (the wreath of oak leaves of which denotes particular excellence), and the highest diploma awarded in five years. No wonder he is proud of his clock, and watches each second variation in it.”


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    212898 - 'The World', model 3, grade 103, 17J (confirmed by pulling dial), DS dial

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    273499 - 'Brun's Favorite, Anoka, Minn.', model 3, grade 100, 11J (verified by pulling dial), SS dial

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    I have a similar Illinois 16size 17jewel private label for this same jeweler, Jos. A. Williams, Boston. Also from about 1896.

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    214087 - 'Fulton', model 2, grade 103, 15 jewels, DS dial.

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    A couple of interesting points on this one... First, the jeweling. It is a grade 101, which would normally be an 11 jewel. But, they jeweled the 5th pinion on the top plate and also jeweled 4 holes on the pillar plate, but NOT the 5th pinion. This same jeweling pattern appears on 308720, also an 'Eclipse'. Second is the spelling of 'Eclipse', which is incorrect on this example. (Correct on 308720.)

    308758 - 'Standard Watch Company, Pittsburgh, Pa., Lclipse', model 3, grade 101, 16 jewel, SS dial.

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    Oh you know I like that one! How neat.
    Standard watch co must have had quite a line of watches.

    I've been after a crescent.. not an Illinois, but same private label.
     
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    1182824 - 'J. Brilleman, Albany, NY', 16-size, model 1, grade 114, 15 jewel, SS dial

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    #1193 Dave Coatsworth, Oct 3, 2019
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    1168838 - 'W. V. Blair, Meriden, Conn', Database reports it as a grade 65, but really appears to be a 17 jewel Bunn grade.

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    Edit: Correction, I just pulled the dial and it is a 16 jewel Bunn.
     
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    1350715 - 'E. Marks, Troy, NY', model 5, grade 64, 17 jewel (database has this run as 15), DS dial

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    A new buy, Serial : 1061910. Dial signed Illinois Watch Co.
    Movement signed THE NEGLEY WATCH CO SPRINGFIELD, ILL and also Illinois Watch Co
    The watch is keeping great time & is my daily wear at the moment.

    Apologies for my poor photo's.


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    320864 - 'Bay State', model 3, grade 103, 17 jewel (verified by pulling dial), SS dial

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    39099 - 'J. B. Smith, Oakland, Ogn.', model 1, Hoyt grade, 9J, SS dial

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    #1198 Rick Hufnagel, Oct 16, 2019
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    Oregon, nice! (Nice looking movement too)
     
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    686676 - 'The R. W. Sears Watch Co. - Richard', model 2, grade 2, 11 jewel, SS blank dial

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    1388964 - 'Rock Island Special, J. Ramser, Rock Island, Ill.', model 6, grade 64, 17J, DS dial

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