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(Illinois) Private Label Research

Allan C. Purcell

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Yes, Rob, and more. I owe the authors an apology, they did mention Grade 103, though it was not about improvement from 103 to 104 & 105. It was about the Regulators on these watches.

"In late 1880 and mid1881, Grade 103 watches were appearing with Wheeler´s Regulator, such as the two watches from 1881 noted above. Regardless of an" improved "performance" offered by Wheeler´s Regulator, there is more direct evidence to explain the presence of Wheeler´s rather than Chalmers regulators on Grade 104 and 105 watches." (They explained that)




Table 2. Summary of Runs and Production.

Grade/model Runs Total Production Known Survivors

104 Hunting 3 301 10(3,3%) (Now 11)
104 Open Face 1 200 10 (5,0%)
105 Hunting 5 560 12 (2.1%)
105 Open Face 2 150 5 (3.3%)




Would it be possible today to ask members to tell us (on a new thread) to show us their 103, 104, and 105 Illinois pocket watches to see if we can improve the percentage?

To be continued.
 
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This is the presentation I made from the article in the Bulletin. It tries to simplify the story a bit but, of course, intoduces some of my biases that the co-authors may not share.

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Thank you, Tom, for posting the above it clears some of the questions I had. Though one question I have, stuck in my head, and it won´t let go.
On post-1496, it shows the details of 1067297, calling it Grade 2 class 3. Is that some way of upgrading the watch? I find it difficult to distinguish 1067297 from a 105. or is it just the gilding? Maybe we should look more at the PL watches for the missing numbers.

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