(Illinois) Private Label Research

[Allan C. Purcell]

Yes, Rob, and more. I owe the authors an apology, they did mention Grade 103, though it was not about improvement from 103 to 104 & 105. It was about the Regulators on these watches.

"In late 1880 and mid1881, Grade 103 watches were appearing with Wheeler´s Regulator, such as the two watches from 1881 noted above. Regardless of an" improved "performance" offered by Wheeler´s Regulator, there is more direct evidence to explain the presence of Wheeler´s rather than Chalmers regulators on Grade 104 and 105 watches." (They explained that)




Table 2. Summary of Runs and Production.

Grade/model Runs Total Production Known Survivors

104 Hunting 3 301 10(3,3%) (Now 11)
104 Open Face 1 200 10 (5,0%)
105 Hunting 5 560 12 (2.1%)
105 Open Face 2 150 5 (3.3%)



Would it be possible today to ask members to tell us (on a new thread) to show us their 103, 104, and 105 Illinois pocket watches to see if we can improve the percentage?

To be continued.

 

[Rhett Lucke]

16 size, 21J Washington Watch Co. Army and Navy.

 

[Tom McIntyre]

This is the presentation I made from the article in the Bulletin. It tries to simplify the story a bit but, of course, intoduces some of my biases that the co-authors may not share.

 

[Allan C. Purcell]

Thank you, Tom, for posting the above it clears some of the questions I had. Though one question I have, stuck in my head, and it won´t let go.
On post-1496, it shows the details of 1067297, calling it Grade 2 class 3. Is that some way of upgrading the watch? I find it difficult to distinguish 1067297 from a 105. or is it just the gilding? Maybe we should look more at the PL watches for the missing numbers.

 

[Dave Coatsworth]

244347 - 'West Shore', model 2, grade 101, 11 jewel, SS dial

 

[Jim Haney]

Love the Gold regulator scale, KW Guard and Banking pins, A fresh and clean example for sure.

 

[Christopher Burris]

New owner of an Illinois Sangamo Grade, Benjamin Franklin, 21Jewel, OF

 

[Dave Coatsworth]

688618 - 'Dana N. Coy, Windsor, Vt.', model 3, grade 2 1/2, 15 jewels, SS dial

 

[Bostonjoe]

Here is Illinois #34808, a Hoyt grade private label movement. Marked L.L. Robinson, Mercer PA. Made circa 1876, which may explain the patriotic eagle carved on the 5oz silver case.

 

[4thdimension]

Found this for 10- at our mart today. Pretty easy to see why it stopped. #1568801 signed only H.A. Stilwell. -Cort

 

[Dave Coatsworth]

1046505 - 'Hammersmith & Field, San Francisco', 16-size, model 2, grade 114, 15 jewel, SS dial

 

[Dave Coatsworth]

1152972 - 'Wilson Brothers, Boston, Mass.', 16-size, model 2, grade 114, 16 jewel, DS dial

 

[Dave Coatsworth]

1045708 - 'L. W. Folsom, Sumter, South Carolina', 16-size, model 2, grade 113, 15 jewel, SS dial.

 

[Dave Coatsworth]

407249 - 'B. J. Cizkousky (I think), Chicago, Ill.', model 1, Columbia grade, 11 jewel, SS dial with nice monogram.