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(Illinois) Private Label Research

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I don't think I've posted these before. I have five different 18s Model 1, 2, and/or 3 in various grades. All of them have Illinois dials, and I don't know anything about the history of the movement markings - I bought them because they had a characteristic that I liked):

1. Thos. Stephenson (M1 Miller #6208 - Early Private Label))
2. Chieftain (M1 Columbia #198604 - Cool Gilt Dmsk)
3. The Hub (M3 103 #203487 - Cool Nickle Dmsk, Jeweled Fifth Pinion)
4. Lightning Express (M2 Currier #306760 - Like the Name "Lightning Express!)
5. Queen (M1 Currier #359623 - "Killer Queen" Movement)

a Thom. Stephenson Miller M1 6208 (M).jpg a Thom. Stephenson Miller M1 6208 (D).jpg

b Chieftain Columbia M1 198604 (M).jpg b Chieftain Columbia M1 198604 (D).jpg

c The Hub G103 M3 203487 (M).jpg c The Hub G103 M3 203487 (D).jpg

d Lighting Express Currier M2 306760 (M).jpg d Lighting Express Currier M2 306760 (D).jpg

e Queen Currier M1 359623 (M).jpg e Queen Currier M1 359623 (D).jpg

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Illinois Watch Company, Model ,5 Grade 172, Size 16s, 11 jewels, nickel finish, Openface configuration, Production Year 1907, Run Quantity 600,

Arthur Harold Eaton, Born 1878 in Nova Scotia, Canda. Moved to Collinsville, Conn in 1889 with his family. 1900 Census has him operating a Jewelry store in Collinsville. In 1923 his jewelry store had become an antique rehab/sales store specializing in brass fixtures which was open until his death in May of 1953. The 1940 A H Eaton Movement of Illinois Watch.JPG Illinois Watch Company Watch Face.JPG census listed him as being a machinist at a local factory.
 

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H. M. JACOBSON & SON PHILADELPHIA grade 64 17j 18 size Model 6 circa 1899

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Rick Hufnagel

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14s Model 2, grade 120
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That green spot is not there in real life, not sure why my picture looks that way
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Dial signed for Wm. Hiles of Sioux City, Iowa
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William Hiles born in Frankfurt Am Main, Germany on July 31 1842 and died in Sioux City Iowa Jan 29, 1919

Described as a pioneer resident and jeweler, he landed in New York in 1859. From there he moved to Omaha Nebraska and then Sioux City Iowa in 1869.

His first address was 319 Pearl Street, located in the "old clock tower building". This is an illustration of that building in "Sioux City Illustrated and Published" courtesy of google books, and dates to 1886.
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Later he moved to 617 Fourth st.

I like 14s watches and, unless it's a Waltham, they are not very easy to find in good shape and cased. This one runs great, and as arrived timed at +14sec a day. It lives in a pretty decent J. Boss case. The Illinois 14s has been on my radar for some time, and it's great to find a nice private label. Maybe find that keywinder some day?? Haha.
 

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Just back from overhaul is an Illinois grade 65, model 3 PL for Wilson Bros. of Boston, MA.The movement is marked "King of the Road" kor5.jpg and the dial is marked for railroad service but the PWDB says otherwise. I''m inclined to go with the Wilson Bros as they were pretty savvy business developers starting out with one employee and in a few short years were employing over one hundred folks being the largest jewelry store in New England. It appears this watch was aimed at the railroaders of the several short lines that serviced the Boston area. These would later become part of the southern division of the Boston & Maine. kor1.jpg kor2.jpg

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A big thank you to whomever. :thumb: I have yet to be successful posting anything on PWDB.:banghead:
 

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Rick Hufnagel

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Had to bring this one home.
1305008. Grade 171. 11 jewels.

John Roberts, Pittsburgh pa marked movement
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It's not one of the Dispatchers, just a movement labeled for the jeweler. Nice glass dial with a lever chip.
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Here is the remaining building in downtown Pittsburgh. Got a chance to walk around a little while ago and hunt down some of the Pittsburgh private label addresses. This building was build in the mid 20's, so it isn't as old as this watch. The original store was a block or so away. Unfortunately today... It's a 7/11 (convince store). Looks like they're remodeling.
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Here is what it looked like in 1933.

 

Rick Hufnagel

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Just a quick follow up on Roberts building.. I know this doesn't have anything to do with Illinois but if someone is researching the jeweler Down the road, it may be of interest.

It's being remodeled in my photo because PNC bought it, along with "the skinny building" yes.. that's what the building is called haha. If you look at the 1933 link you can see a better view of the other building. PNC Bank headquarters is across the street.

Anyways, I'm curious to see what they do with the building, which the Roberts occupied untill 1997. They had quite a legacy in the area for well over a century.

This is from "Industries of Pittsburgh, Statistical and Trade Review" published 1879 Richard Edwards Editor and Publisher.

E. P. ROBERTS & SONS , -Jewelers , No. 16 Fifth Avenue . One of the best known and oldest establishments of its kind in Pittsburgh is that of Messrs . E. P. Roberts & Sons . Established thirty years ago by J. M. Roberts , Esq , whose demise in 1866 occasioned a change to the present firm . No house in this community has enjoyed a more deserved popularity . The individual members of the firm are E. P. , s . F. and C. W. Roberts , all of whom give their personal attention to the business , which embraces a manufacturing department where every class of work is elegantly and artistically made to order The stuck , valued at $ 30,000 , is not so remarkable for its extent as the exquisite taste and judgment evinced in its selection . In the matter of Silver and Silver Plated Ware , Diamonds , Jewels , Ornaments , and especially fine Clocks and American Watches , this house can perhaps offer facilities to buyers , in the way of selection and price , not to be duplicated west of New York . Five assistants are constantly employed , and the trade , amounting to $ 10,000 annually , extends through Pennsylvania and adjacent States . Messrs . E P. Roberts & Sons are all natives of Pittsburgh , and have done no small service in promoting the mercantile credit and thrift of the Iron City.
 

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1905 Special, #1683115 & 1908 Special #1683008 marked "Adjusted to Five Positions". Another group of watches with a lost story. Some marked 1905 others changed to 1908. Both from a mixed run of 200, from 1683000-1683200. The change to an 8 is very good and only noticeable from the back.

Prior Thread with documented sightings.

https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/illinois-1905-special.66839

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Will W. Case Canandaigua, NY 18s (Canandaigua is a Town in upstate New York on one
of the Finger Lakes with the same American Indian name).

Grade 99 circa 1896

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343133 - 'Herman Hewett, Brockton, Mass. Model 1, Columbia grade, 11 jewel, SS dial.

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Some information on Mr. Hewett:
 

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This is by definition off topic, but I did some research on Mr. Hewett for my private label dial American Grade 1872 model.
 

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1129984 - 'D. F. Sullivan, Rockford, Ill - Forest City', 16-size, model 2, grade 114, 15 jewel, DS dial
Rockford is known as the Forest City because of the dense forests found there by its settlers.

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