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Fred:

Ed and I have the following in our data base:

1,605,486 18 24 Wash.LaFayette DS AN Adj, Dial: "Washington Watch Co.", Case: Inlayed Loco, S/N may be 1,166,486
1,606,480 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS OF Adj, Damaskeening Variation
1,606,486 18 24 Wash.LaFayette DS AN SB&B Dial: "Washington Watch Co."
1,619,945 16 19 Wash.Army & Navy 176 DS RN OF LS
1,619,996 16 23 Wash.LaFayette/Sang Sang
1,621,544 18 19 Wash.Army & Navy 65-E HC Mvt HC Adj Mvt
1,694,097 16 23 Wash.LaFayette/Sang Sang DS AN G SB&B "Adj, 23RJ", Mod 5, Dial "Wash W Co",.Prod 70
1,704,105 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS OF Adj
1,704,420 16 19 Wash.Army & Navy 176 DS AN G R5MT Display/HC LS, Pierced Breguet Hds, Dial "Washington Watch Co."
1,704,551 16 19 Wash.Army & Navy 176 DS AN G SB&B LS, Adj, Golden Plate Scrs, Pierced Hds, Dial "Washington Watch Co."
1,704,670 18 24 Wash/Lafayette/BS BS DS RN HC LS, Adj, Dial "Washington Watch Co."
1,704,680 18 24 Wash/Lafayette/BS BS HC Adj
1,747,913 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS DS RN SB&B
1,747,915 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS DS RN G HB&B Adj, Dial "Washington Watch Co" in scripT, Case "M W & Co"
1,747,935 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS DS AN SR Illinois Case
1,748,711 16 19 Wash.ArmY&Navy 176 DS AN HC LS, Adj, Dial & Mvt "Washington Watch Co."
1,749,800 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS DS AN HC Dial "Washington Watch Co"
1,832,007 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS DS AN SB&B
1,852,838 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS OF Adj
1,852,883 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS OF Adj
1,859,026 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS HC Adj
1,859,029 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS HC "Adj"
1,859,029 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS DS AN G HC BoxH Dial: "Washington Watch Co."
1,869,533 18 19 Wash.Army & Navy 65-E DS AN OF Adj, Dial "Washington Watch Co."
1,869,987 16 23 Wash.LaFayette/Sang Sang DS AN SB&B Sangamo Grade, Prod 50, Mod 5
1,914,650 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS HC Adj
1,981,740 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS DS AN G SB&B LS, Adj, DR, Mvt & Dial "Washington Watch Co"
1,981,744 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS DS AN SB&B Dial "Wash Watch Co"
1,981,947 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS DS
2,024,179 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65-E DS RN SB&B Adj, Dial & Mvt: "Washington Watch Co."
2,024,272 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65-E SS AN SB&B LS, Dial: "Washington Watch Co."
2,024,909 16 21 Wash.Army & Navy 176 Metal OF
2,024,909 16 21 Wash.Army & Navy 176 DS RN SB&B LS
2,032,000 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65-E AN M HC Adj, Dial "Washington Watch Co."
2,032,069 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65-E DS RN R5MT Adj
2,032,094 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS HC Adj
2,032,099 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS DS AN G HC Adj, Dial "Wahington Watch Co."
2,082,650 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65 SS AN SR LS, Adj, Dial "Washington Watch Co."
2,082,663 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65 DS AN R5MT SB&B LS, Adj, Dial "Washington Watch Co."
2,098,030 16 21 Wash.Army & Navy 176? DS AN HC LS, AT&P, Dial "Washington Watch Co."
2,098,109 16 21 Wash.Army & Navy 176? DS AN SB&B
2,125,248 18 24 Wash.LaFayette BS OF "A6P"
2,125,248 18 24 Wash.LaFayette BS DS AN SB&B LS, AT&P, Dial "Washington Watch Co."
2,151,004 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65 DS AN Display Adj, Prod 1,390
2,151,019 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65 DS RN SB&B
2,151,564 16 21 Wash.Army & Navy 176 DS AN G SB&B AT5P
2,202,199 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65 SS AN SB&B AT&P, Dial: "Washington Watch Co."
2,202,231 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65 DS AN M SB&B
2,235,327 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65 DS AN SB&B AT&P, Dial "Washington Watch Co."
2,315,730 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65 DS AN SB&B
2,367,421 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65 DS AN SB&B
2,367,804 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS OF AT&P
2,367,815 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS OF AT&P
2,367,826 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS OF LS
2,406,927 16 21 Wash.Army & Navy 176 DS AN SB&B A5P, Dial "Wahington Watch Co." Mod 5
2,406,927 16 21 Wash.Army & Navy 176 DS AN G SB&B Dial "Wahington Watch Co." Mod 5
2,406,930 16 21 Wash.Army & Navy 176 DS AN SR
2,424,985 16 23 Wash.LaFayette/Sang Sang HC Mvt LS, AT&P "23RJ", Mod 4
2,441,781 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65 DS AN SB&B Gold Inlay Loco on Case
2,470,639 16 23 Greenwich 770 DS AN HB&B LS, A6P, Diamond, Ruby & Sapphire Grade, GJS, GT, @F true Cent Brg, Mvt "Greenwich", Dial: "Washington Watch Co.", GJS, GT, LS, @F true Cent Brg.
2,542,819 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy DS AN G HC Dial: "Washington Watch Co."
2,543,326 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BSA BS DS AN G R5MT HB&B/HC LS, AT&P, DR "24 Ruby Jewels" Dial "Washington Watch Co." Baystate CASE w/Display Cuvette
2,592,203 16 21 Wash.Army & Navy 806 DS AN SB&B LS, GCW, Not W W Co Dial
2,592,218 16 23 Wash.LaFayette/809 809 OF Mvt LS, AT&P, DR, Mod 9
2,592,218 16 23 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS OF Mvt LS, AT6P, DR, Mod 11
2,631,004 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65 SS Display OF Mvt
2,631,096 18 24 Wash.Lafayette/BS BS DS AN G SB&B Mvt "Adjusted to Temperature and Positions" and "Double Roller" Ill book does not list this marking.
2,631,108 18 24 Wash.Lafayette/BS BS OF AT&P
2,631,138 18 24 Wash.Lafayette BS DS AN G OF Mvt Mvt "Adjusted to Temperature and Positions" and "Double Roller" Dial "Washington Watch Co."
2,631,870 18 Wash.Army & Navy 806 DS Dial: "Washington Watch Co."
2,691,086 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS DS SR
2,769,003 16 21 WASH.Army & Navy DS AN SB&B LS, "Dial "Washington Watch Co."
2,769,147 16 21 Wash.Army & Navy 806 DS AN SR LS, Dial: "Washington Watch Co"
2,769,220 16 23 Wash.LaFayette/BS Mod 9 DS RN R5MT SB&B AT&P, DR, GJS, GT, Gold Train, Dial: "Washington Watch Co" Low Stem Case
2,779,852 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65 DS AN SR AT5P
2,779,922 16 23 Wash.LaFayette/BS DS AN R5MT HC LS, AT&P, Gold Train, GJS, DR, Going Bbl, Dial: "Washington Watch Co."
2,779,967 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 806 DS AN HC Dial: "Washington Watch Co."
3,040,413 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS DS AN SB&B "Wash Watch Co" Dial
3,040,463 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS DS AN M G HB&B LS "AT6P, DR"
3,040,507 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65 AT5P
3,094,994 16 21 Wash.Army & Navy 806 DS AN HC LS, Dial: "Washington Watch Co."
3,139,968 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65 DS AN SR LS, AT5P, Dial "Washington Watch Co." Gold Loco Inlay on Case
3,139,970 18 21 Wash.Army & Navy 65 DS AN SR
3,145,235 16 21 Wash.Army & Navy 806 DS AN SB&B
3,312,277 16 23 Wash.Greenwich,DR&S 710 DS AN SB&B Grade 770, Prod 50
3,312,402 16 21 Wash.Army & Navy 806 DS AN SB&B LS, Adj, Gold Train
3,312,420 16 23 Wash.Lafayette/BS BS DS AN SB&B A6P", Model 11 w. mtr bbl
3,312,767 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS DS AN SB&B Mvt: "Adjusted To Temperature And Positions Six", Case changed since 11/92
3,377,305 16 21 Wash.Army & Navy 806 DS AN SR "A5P", Dial 'Wash Watch Co.
3,377,359 16 23 Wash.Greenwich,DR&S 710 DS AN A6P, DR, Mvt "Dia R & S, Greenwich", Dial "Washinton Watch Co"
3,377,372 16 23 Wash.Greenwich,DR&S 710 DS AN HB&B A6P, DR, Mvt "Dia R & S, Greenwich", Dial "Washinton Watch Co"
3,385,416 16 23 Wash.Lafayette/BS BS OF
3,392,890 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS DS AN SB&B "A6P, DR"
3,392,897 18 24 Wash.LaFayette/BS BS SB&B "A6P, DR", GJS
 

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Kent, Let me add another to your file. Wash Watch Co, 18S, 17J, Senate, SN 1.981,302. I no longer have the watch, but kept a file on it. The dial on it was a SS private label dial marked "Frisch Bros, Buffalo, NY. The case was Silveroid and not original to the watch.
 

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A pair of watches private-label markings for Mermod Jaccard of St. Louis, a 16 size Sangamo grade and a 16 size A. Lincoln grade ...

http://images.snapfish.com/3399585523232%7Ffp45%3Dot%3E232%3A%3D585%3D%3B3%3B%3DXROQDF%3E2323473724653ot1lsi

http://images.snapfish.com/3399585523232%7Ffp45%3Dot%3E232%3A%3D585%3D%3B3%3B%3DXROQDF%3E232347372464%3Bot1lsi

http://images.snapfish.com/3445643923232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E232%3A%3D585%3D%3B3%3B%3DXROQDF%3E232398%3B68%3C%3A36ot1lsi

http://images.snapfish.com/3445643923232%7Ffp58%3Dot%3E232%3A%3D585%3D%3B3%3B%3DXROQDF%3E232398%3B68%3C%3A77ot1lsi


... but as a whole I have seen only a few 16 size Illinois watches marked for Jaccard.

Fred
 
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23J Sangamo marked for Porte & Markle of Winnipeg ...

http://images.snapfish.com/3428367523232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E232%3A%3D585%3D%3B3%3B%3DXROQDF%3E2323744%3B39858ot1lsi

http://images.snapfish.com/3428367523232%7Ffp58%3Dot%3E232%3A%3D585%3D%3B3%3B%3DXROQDF%3E2323744%3B3%3B733ot1lsi

The Sangamo grade private-labels are some of my favorites, but from what I have seen it looks like the jeweler-contract markings are more often found on the 21 jewel Sangamo than the 23 jewel.

Fred
 
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http://render2.snapfish.com/render2/is=Yup6aQQ%7C%3Dup6%3DzqH%3AxxqUD7qRUrKxzX7BHpUUKxgXPJe%3F87KR6xqpxQQQexoloxaPaxv8uOc5xQQQ0P00lGPQlJqpfVtB%3F*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXPJe%7CRup6eeJ%7C/of=50,457,442

http://render2.snapfish.com/render2/is=Yup6aQQ%7C%3Dup6%3DzqH%3AxxqUD7qRUrKxzX7BHpUUKxgXPon%3F87KR6xqpxQQQexoloxaPaxv8uOc5xQQQ0P00lGPQlGqpfVtB%3F*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXPon%7CRup6eeQ%7C/of=50,460,442

2187614 - J.M.S.Co., Chicago (marked movement, DS Roman "J.M.S.Co." dial)

16 size, 17 jewel hunting case grade 175 marked for the John M. Smyth Co. of Chicago, Illinois.

John M. Smyth was a well known retailer in the Chicago area that was in business for well over 100 years, but I believe this firm closed in 2005. In recent years their focus was on furniture sales and they advertised as "John M. Smyth, Homemaker".

Fred
 
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Illinois prvt label Pepper+Horner and Cleveland,Tenn on movement and Illinois watch co.on dial sz18 15jewels transitional open face sidewinder
 

Fred Hansen

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Thanks Randy, I don't think I'd seen that name yet ... do you have a serial number for this one?

Thanks again!

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Hi Fred the sr# is 257810 and it's listed under (whitetabby) on ebay take a look at it.I am still wondering if it is a Illinois private label or someone stuck the dial on the movement.Glad to help Randy B.
 

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The serial number looks to be 272810 and it is an Illinois movement, a model 2 grade 100 (or 100S) from about 1885. In my notes the closest other private-labels on either side of it I have are ...

272792 - Eastern Watch Co., Belmont
272890 - Barborka, Iowa City IA

Thanks for sending and nice looking watch!

Fred
 
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R.L.Marshall.Elizabethtown,Ky on the dial and same wording on movement size 18
sr#18730X circa 1881? open face 15jewels
 

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1285584 - A.R. Staufenbeil, Dubuque IA (marked movement and DS Arabic dial)

An 18 size, 17 jewel Bunn grade with yellow gold 2-tone damaskeen pattern. A quick Google search of Staufenbeil did not reveal much other than that he bought out another Dubuque jeweler by the name of William Wallace Wormwood.

Fred
 
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William Wallace Wormwood
Fred are you serious-what a handle to live life with :)

Dazzler, and a TT .

I keep thinking of John Cote's words of wisdom on his website, advocating the 17 J.s.

Thanks for showing it.
 

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Any more private-label Illinois out there?

This is a project I am still very interested in, and I usually find data from between 50 to 100 new watches to my notes each month.

Also I am glad to give a try to any Illinois private-label questions anyone might have.

Fred
 

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-272,534- "H.W. Preston/ Albion, N.Y." -mov't only
-697,617- "Wilson & Bequillard/ Mexico, N.Y" -on dial and mov't
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Thanks Cort!

Your first watch is from a run of 700 grade 100/100-S and other private-labels I'd seen in this run are ...

272312 Fred Funke, Kansas City MO
272759 J.J. Bleich, Paducah KY
2727?? Eastern Watch Co., Belmont
272792 Eastern Watch Co., Belmont
272810 Pepper & Horner, Cleveland TN
272890 Barborka, Iowa City IA
272951 Wm. F. Doerflinger, Brunswick GA

Your second watch is from a run of 800 grade 2/2-S and I'd only seen one other private-label from this run ...

697494 Standard Watch Co. - Clipper

And each of the names you have listed were new to my notes, and this is not unusual but still amazing to me just how many contract names there really were.

Fred
 

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Thanks Tom ... and is it also marked on the movement?

Fred
 

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Fred,

A quick search of the U.S. census through Heritage Quest shows in the 1900 census an Auguts R. Staufenbiel, Dubuque, IA age 48 born Ohio parents born in Germany, occupation Jeweler. The 1910 census has the same information but of course age 58. It also lists his wife and numerous children. With a name like that I am sure if you expanded the search you could find where he was before Dubuque.

Are there any plans to make availble your Illinois PL list somewhere? I am interested in private labels from Kansas and Canada.

Joe Kendall
 

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Hi Joe -

I haven't planned to put the whole of it out there yet ... but I am definitely glad to answer questions and help where I can with these.

Would you be interested in the information I have on jeweler contract watches in Canada and KS?

Fred
 

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1322816, 16S, 17J, OF, LS, Mvt & DS, AN, Getty Dial both signed: "Rowe Bros. Chicago"
 

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Thanks Kent!

The Rowe Bros. really seemed to like the Getty model Illinois, and these are the other serial numbers I've seen for Rowe Bros. marked Illinois movements ...

1305026
1307757
1312807
1329592
1361100
1406804
1410175
1416320
1437903
1718569

... and what each of these watches has in common is that they were lower cost unadjusted Getty model 16 size made by Illinois within a few years of the turn of the century. Interestingly these "Rowe Bros." marked watches are often found with very nice glass enamel double-sunk "Rowe Bros." dials with the Gothic style Arabic numerals one might expect on a higher grade of watch.

Fred
 

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Fred,

I sure would be interested in your information on contract watches in Kansas and Canada. My interests are in all contract watches, not just Illinois. Mostly I collect Hamilton's. If you would be so kind to share any information you have I would be happy to recieve it and help expand your records where possible. You can contact me offline if you would prefer to send your information that way.

Many thanks,

Joe
 

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Fred,

I recently purchased an 18s, 11j, gr. 99 labeled on the dial "Charles A. Gaudette, Arctic Center R.I.", and on the movement "Chas. A. Gaudette Arctic Center R.I." SN is 1334144 and dates from 1896.

I live in Ct on the RI border, and I'd never heard of Arctic Center. Turns out its part of West Warwick RI, just south of Providence.

Norman Bliss
 

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Fred,
There was a Getty model, 16s, 17j, Ser.# 1438628 movement only that just sold on Ebay.
Dial marked "The Edward B. Butler".
Movement marked "The Edward B. Butler Special".

Ebay Item # 170091391287

Joe
 

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Thanks all!

Tom - I don't think I'd seen that name before. Other Roberts names I've seen on Illinois watches are ...
  • T.M. Roberts, Minneapolis
  • John M. Roberts, Pittsburgh (some with the name spelled out, but many especially in the Railroad Dispatcher series with just the J.M.R initials)
... and from what I've seen many of the 3 finger bridge Getty model private-labels are like your watch and signed on the dial only, I think probably for lack of room on the movement. The smaller number that are signed on the movement are usually in tiny letters on one of the finger bridges, but sometimes also under the balance wheel on the dial plate.

Norman - I've seen 6 other Illinois watches marked for Chas. A. Gaudette ... two of these others have been for the Arctic Center, Rhode Island location but four have been marked for Chas. A. Gaudette in Fall River, Massachusetts. The Mass. marked watches are just a bit both earlier and later than the Arctic Center watches in serial number, I wonder if Gaudette was operating in two locations at the same time or if he perhaps moved from and then later returned to Fall River?

I've also seen an 18 size Hamilton marked to a different jeweler in Arctic, Rhode Island (no "Center"). Is this the same location?

Joe - Thanks for sending! The dozen or so Edward B. Butler marked movements I've recorded have all been very similar ... 3/4 plate 17 jewel Getty models produced between about 1896 and 1903.

Fred



 

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Terrific watch Dale!

The high grade Paillard Non-Magnetics are some of my very favorite Illinois, and after a good deal of looking I was happy to pick up a nice 21J 18 size HC last year.

I have seen another grade 179 Paillard from the same run as your watch at serial #1301984. But there are other private-labels also in this run, and between these two watches serial #1301975 is private-label signed on the movement and dial for E.L. Vognild of Chicago.

From what I've seen the high grade Paillard watches are often mixed closely in the same runs with jeweler contract private-labels and regular factory marked watches.

:)

Fred
 

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Fred,

Another one on Ebay. Item # 320095325682

18s, 15j, Ser. # 686462. Chalmers Pat. Reg.

Signed Wm. B. Miller Sacramento, Cal. on both dial and movement.
 

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Thanks Fred, I haven't done any research on Gaudette yet, and it's handy to know there was a Fall River store too. Given that Fall River was a bigger center of the textile industry than was West Warwick, I'd guess the Arctic Center store was a branch. Now I can research in Fall River too. An old map shows Arctic as next to Arctic Center; Now that area is known as Arctic Village.

Norman

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I have a "Hallmark Watch" size 14 or 12$ It is marked on dial, dust lid, and movement . Do you know anything about it? Thanks.

Don Evans
 

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Hi Don -

The Hallmark marking was I believe for "The United Jewelers, Inc." and I will email someone that may have a little more background and see if he can add to this.

These are neat watches and here is a photo of one I had a while back, a 21 jewel grade 509 movement that like your watch was 14 size on the dial plate but 12 size on the other side of the movement.
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As Fred says, these were made for United Jewelers. These were also discussed in this --> THREAD <--. All that I have seen had 12/14 size movements and were originally in cases also marked "HALLMARK".
 
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Hi Fred,

I have an 18S Illinois:

Dial is labeled 'M.P. Jenks'

Movement is labeled 'M.P. Jenks' 'Meadeville, Penn.'

Movement number is 273172 with the Chalmers regulator. It is keywind/stemwind and lever set.

-Steve
 

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Thanks Steve!

Your watch is a grade 101 (or 101-S) from about 1885, and this is a grade that is seen with quite a few private-label markings. From the 273051-273300 run your watch is in I've noted three other private-labels ...

273051 - JW Andrews & Co., St. Louis
273085 - E. Jaccard Jewelry Co., No. 22, St. Louis
273285 - FH Huntley, Cadillac MI

I haven't seen any other Illinois watches marked for Jenks, but knew the name sounded familiar and just remembered why.

About 2 years ago I found an 1857 model Waltham private-label marked to "Slayton & Jenks" of Meadville, PA so if this is the same individual (pretty likely, but it could also be a family member) then he may have had a partnership earlier in his career. Here is a photo of that watch ...
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Here is a grade 61 marked for A.E. Garnsey in Sanford, Maine. Although listed as a model 4 (PS) this one is lever set. It has a double-sunk glass enamel dial with Roman numerals and marked the same as the movement, except that Maine is spelled out. View attachment 433631
 

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Thank you Jerry ... this is a name I had not seen before, and I do not have any other private-labels noted from this run of 200 grade 61.

It would be interesting to see if others found in this run were also model 6 lever-set like your watch, or if there are model 4 pendent-set movements intermixed. I believe Russ Snyder has found some intermixing of model 4 and 6 movements in some other 18 size runs from the 1890's, and has updated his database to reflect this when he has found it.

Fred
 

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Fred- Last month you offered to answer questions related to Iliinois PL's. I have a question about PL's in general.

About a year ago I went through all of the various PL's listed via this board looking for those from Southern California (I'm a native). I found many from the Los Angeles area. But I could not find any from the San Diego area... do you know if this was just a coincidence or if the era of PL/PW's preceded the development of the San Diego area?

I'm primarily a ww fan but acquire pw's on occasion. I have 2 PL/PW's that I will share with you later as soon as I can get to them...one is an Illinois and the other an AWW (?)...the latter from a local jeweler in Redlands, California (an early California city near the LA area).

Perhaps I need a history lesson about PL's.

Thanks, Frank
 

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Hi Frank -

I haven't seen any in Illinois watches, but I have owned an 18 size Hampden dial that was marked on the dial to an M. German of San Diego. I hadn't thought about it before but after reading your post this is the only San Diego marked watch that I can think of having seen.

I will post back if I can think of any other private-labels from the San Diego area, but for now here is a photo of the Hampden dial ...

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Kevin W.

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Hi Fred, Did you record all the watches you sold so far with the private label?
Just wondering as i have one from you, one of my favourites.:clap:
 

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Somewhere in my notes ... :)

My main project is these 16 and 18 size Illinois and I am at near 5000 recorded right now.

Fred
 

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Hi Fred, I found another PL Illinois that I forgot I had. It is a 12S, 19J, HC, SN 3,798,429. The movement is marked "Expressly made for J.H. Ehrlich by Illlinois Watch Company". I got it as a movement only with no dial. So don't know what an original dial would look like.

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Thanks Tom, I have seen one 16 size movement that also had this marking.

It was a 21 jewel 3 position grade at 3.9 million serial number, unfortunately I didn't note its dial marking when I saw it a few years ago but if I am remembering right this watch had just an Illinois marked dial.

Fred
 

sdjencso

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Fred,

Here's an 18S Illinois that is on the Jones-Horan auction site:

Dial is marked Charles Stark and is a Canadian dial

Movement is marked Charles Stark, Toronto.
SN 303994 and has the Chalmers regulator.

-Steve
 

Fred Hansen

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Thanks Steve.

A neat feature of the "Charles Stark, Toronto" marked watches is that they usually will have the 13 to 24 hour numerals marked at the outside of the dial where the 5 minute increment numerals usually are.

I've also seen Aurora and Columbus watches marked for Stark.

Fred
 

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Fred,

There was a Seth Thomas S.D. PL on webhorology a year or two ago!
 

Fred Hansen

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Thanks Jon and thanks for the serial numbers you've given here and on the chapter 149 board!

Fred
 

Jon Hanson

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You are very welcome Fred, I cannot think of anyone I'd rather assist on these.

BTW, where is that other thread on other company PLs?
 

Submarine Chief

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Fred,
I'm pretty new at this so if this info is not useful, forgive me for messing up
the thread.
I have an Illinois made, triple signed, "Hallmark" pocket watch. It is 17j,
Adj to 3 Pos, DR, Mvmnt # 2905528, Case # 9984670. Everything is
marked Hallmark. The case is a 25 year model. It is almost unbelieveably
accurate. I can post pictures if you are interested.

Don Evans
 

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