Illinois Grades 435 and 409

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  1. Ethan Lipsig

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    Tom McIntyre recently posted examples of most of the high-grade Illinois approximately 12-size watches. He did not have examples of two other grades worth mentioning.

    Grade 435, with 17 jewels, is the plainest of the 435,437,438, and 439 family of grades. It is uncommon. Only 310 were made. Here is an example from my collection with the original unsigned 14k case, original dial and correct hands.

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    Grade 409 seems similar to the 23 jewel Illini except that it has chaton-set jewels, 21 jewels, and at least one diamond end-stone. My example is in a 14k Knapp Illinois-signed case.

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    #2 Tom McIntyre, Apr 27, 2017
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    Actually, I do have a 409 posted in the Small Wonders sequence. It is not nearly as nice an example as yours

    Does it have a jeweled barrel or are there cap jewels on the pallet arbor?

    Just out of curiosity, we can post a link to a search I think. Small Wonders

    The link to a search works, but I wonder how long it is saved?
     
  3. Ethan Lipsig

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    Tom, a moment after I posted my message, I saw that you'd posted photos of your 409. I tried to delete my message or revise it so that it only referred to Grade 435, but wasn't able to completely expunge my mistake. I am recovering from a 20 hour/9 time zone flight two days ago.

    As for whether my 409 has a jeweled barrel or cap jewels on the palette arbor, I don't know. The watch is in the vault.
     
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    From Ethan's picture and others I have on file, the grade 409 all have cap jewels at the pallet arbor and escape wheel ... thus no jewels at the barrel.
     
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    That was what I thought since all the ones with a jeweled barrel said either jeweled barrel or motor barrel on the plates. There is a screw in the setting on the pallet arbor, but when I enlarged the picture as much as I could I thought I could see an arbor sticking through. I was confident that Jerry would come along and sort it out.

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