Identifying Tiffany Movement Pocket Watch

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    #1 Douglaskunkel, May 18, 2017
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    Hello all. I am new to the forum, and relatively new to collecting. I recently purchased a Tiffany pocket watch with a moon phase, and triple date. It is very worn and I intend on doing a restoration, however there is some information I would like to know if possible. I have come to believe that even though Tiffany did make their own movements, there is a high possibility that the watch I purchased has a movement made by another company. The unusual part about the watch is that the moonphase dial is located at the 12 o'clock position. I'm having a difficult time identifying the movement and would appreciate any help from anyone who might know more than me. Thank you! The Listing is here https://www.ebay.com/itm/282473138097
     
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    Thank You
     
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    Possibly intended as a travel clock?

    But there are no visible marks on the
    movement; I'm skeptical. A movement
    close-up is badly needed.
     
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    It looks like an 8-day car-clock (or Travel type, as mentioned above) to me. The size, shape, and orientation of the stem give it away. That said, I don't see anything that "gives it away" as a Tiffany product. Maybe the dial is signed "Tiffany", but the fact that it is only a 7-jewel movement (Unless 8-days have different jewel locations that I'm unaware of.) says it's probably not Tiffany to me. I just don't recall seeing a 7-jewel Tiffany anything, except perhaps a piece of non-timekeeping jewelry.

    I'm not sure, but you might try asking your question somewhere in the clock section, as it's really called a "car clock". Perhaps the moderator will move it if there's a better spot for it. If you bought it, I hope you find out it's genuine. My instinct is that it isn't. It has been wrong before though. Good luck.
     
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    This little clock looks like it once resided in a folding leather holder as a "travel clock."

    If I click on the movement image three times, it enlarges to where the jewel settings (which are not there with no jewels) can be seen. However the image is too fuzzy to make out what appears to be writing on the left and perhaps more writing near the screw on the right side. Whatever that is may give a clue.

    I have seen a similar top plate layout on Tavannes watches.
     
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    I may stand corrected. I'm going to have to get new eyes or a better monitor. They still look more like bushings to me and my monitor, but I may see a bit more color at the escape wheel and two adjacent pivots (The moon-phase design has me confused on what the pivots actually are for.). If this is the case, never mind what I said about the 7-jewel/Tiffany potential non-connection. I generally start out skeptical on Tiffany stuff that looks anywhere near iffy to me. Good luck.
     
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    Perhaps I should have said enlarges to where the absence of jewel settings (which are not there with no jewels) can be seen. :)
     
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    The same image in the original auction offering is
    better quality -- here for 'educational' purposes:

    [​IMG]

    The winding arrangement is an
    unusual one (3 wheels?)... are
    they a clue to the maker?
     
  9. Tom McIntyre

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    Both the winding and the gear train are appropriate for a watch that runs for 8 days. It was the layout that I was talking about when I said it looked like Tavannes.
     
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    Good job finding it. :thumb:

    It has 15 jewels and with the better pictures, the jeweling is clear and probably the same on the OP piece.
     
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